[FP]Tung Feb 20 @ 6:03pm
Nerfing Not Overpowered Weapons.
Are there any weapons that you think need a nerf but a not necesarily overpowered?
Machina-more like the brass beast so a cozy camper effect on it where it's slower moving when scoped in
Some maybes-Bushwacka, Brass Beast, Short Circuit(again), Backburner, Phlogistinator, Pompson, Suggestions?
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AdviserChip Feb 20 @ 6:39pm 
Dead Ringer and Spy-cicle should be mutually exclusive , even in different slots. The weapons you have listed are fine though. Just S+M1 when you see a Pholg Pyro (or any Pyro) coming towards you, and look behind you once in a while to avoid getting butt♥♥♥♥ed by the Backburner.
[GWMI] Lilshadow48 Feb 20 @ 6:58pm 
The Machina just needs to have it's base damage increase apply to penetrations only.
Then it stops being a bodyshotting ♥♥♥♥♥♥ weapon and becomes an actually decent gun.
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Noble Hatter's Violet Feb 20 @ 8:09pm 
Originally posted by Lilshadow48:
The Machina just needs to have it's base damage increase apply to penetrations only.
Then it stops being a bodyshotting ♥♥♥♥♥♥ weapon and becomes an actually decent gun.
Get better.
Frozen Today Feb 20 @ 8:10pm 
These arguments are starting to make my face hurt.
[FP]Tung Feb 20 @ 8:13pm 
Originally posted by Noble Hatter's Violet:
Originally posted by Lilshadow48:
The Machina just needs to have it's base damage increase apply to penetrations only.
Then it stops being a bodyshotting ♥♥♥♥♥♥ weapon and becomes an actually decent gun.
Get better.
this one ruined it
Noble Hatter's Violet Feb 20 @ 8:14pm 
Originally posted by Tung:
Originally posted by Noble Hatter's Violet:
Get better.
this one ruined it
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emugod Feb 20 @ 9:15pm 
I don't feel degreaser or puff+sting are overpowered in terms of class balance, but that they possibly are in terms of Pyro weapon balance. So I'd consider a small nerf that degreaser require a brief period of continuous burn before a player is ignited (some fraction of a second). At the same time though I'd buff afterburn in general to make it work like an inverted overheal (percent of health over a fixed period rather than dmg/sec), and give the degreaser a much stiffer penalty there.

I'd also totally rework backburner in a way that some people would call a nerf (make it even more situational/subclassy). huge damage penalty and maybe no airblast at all, but instead gives you some kind of limited cloak. thinking that alt-fire releases smog, which confers a cumulative transparency effect which can add up to near or total invisibility,requires constant contact with the smog to maintain if you are in motion (but persists if stationary). so you could cloak yourself after a few seconds of alt-fire and then remained cloak while stationary, to truly ambush people. and the same guaranteed crit from behind, no random crits, but not 100% critical damage only the reduced damage crit.

Eyelander should have less gain per head but end up at mostly the same level of buff (or even slightly higher, in HP if not speeed). Brass Beast should make Heavy totally immobile AND immune to push force when spun up (plus possibly some damage absorption but that's heading into rework territory). Bushwhacka should not have random crits.
noahadvs Feb 20 @ 11:19pm 
The Bushwacka is the only weapon out of all of those that I think should be nerfed, only because it's just better than stock most of the time. 20% more fire damage is a terrible way to balance a weapon for a class that isn't even supposed to go near Pyros and pretty much counters the Pyro. That also applies to the Southern Hostpitality. IMO, the Bushwacka should have no random crits and 20-25% less damage or swing rate. Something to make the Kukri worth equipping.
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2↓st Sentry Gentleman Feb 20 @ 11:53pm 
An item that's not overpowered, yet deserving a nerf?
The only one coming to my mind there is the Enforcer; it doesn't surpass what the Ambassador - a weapon I consider perfectly fine - does in competent hands, yet it kills next to all possible targets faster than stock does with no increased performance-requirement andvirtually no downside towards stock but "no randomcrits".
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