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Conga (Yasaklı) 20 Şub 2014 @ 12:06am
Phlog needs a nerf
It's basicly Free crits and free hp. It takes no skill at all and all you need to do is hold W and M1 while pressing M2 every few seconds and you have the top of the leader board. Please nerf this item. Any ideas on how to nerf this item?

best nerf ideas so far:
The Pinnacle Of Crayon's ~ Minicrits instead of crits.
En son Conga tarafından düzenlendi; 20 Şub 2014 @ 12:18am
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Satsujin Jiken 20 Şub 2014 @ 12:09am 
Not sure if troll...
Conga (Yasaklı) 20 Şub 2014 @ 12:10am 
Satsujin Jiken tarafından gönderilen ileti:
Not sure if troll...
The phlog is broken. It's free crits for playing pyro.
The Defective Crayon 20 Şub 2014 @ 12:16am 
If this is a troll thread, I'll play along.

What if it still healed you, but, the damage output is Mini-Crits instead of Full-Crits?
Conga (Yasaklı) 20 Şub 2014 @ 12:17am 
The Pinnacle Of Crayon's tarafından gönderilen ileti:
If this is a troll thread, I'll play along.

What if it still healed you, but, the damage output is Mini-Crits instead of Full-Crits?
I'd find the minicrits balanced but this isn't a troll thread
Frozen Today 20 Şub 2014 @ 12:30am 
Achmed the Dead Terrorist tarafından gönderilen ileti:
The phlog is broken. It's free crits for playing pyro.
So is the backburner? I'm not sure I understand that assessment.



The Pinnacle Of Crayon's tarafından gönderilen ileti:
If this is a troll thread, I'll play along.

What if it still healed you, but, the damage output is Mini-Crits instead of Full-Crits?
The healing isn't even really the problem, it's the full crits, and maybe the absurd resistance. (I know it was knocked down from 90% to 75%, but I'd make it as low as 50%)
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Noble Hatter's Violet 20 Şub 2014 @ 12:31am 
Achmed the Dead Terrorist tarafından gönderilen ileti:
It takes no skill at all and all you need to do is hold W and M1 while pressing M2 every few seconds and you have the top of the leader board.
Ok, apply that to any of the other classes, now do you see your mistake? Any and every class can w+m1. Should every class and every weapon be nerfed? No. Stay out of a phlog pyros range and guess what! No crits or health for him.
Frozen Today 20 Şub 2014 @ 12:33am 
Noble Hatter's Violet tarafından gönderilen ileti:
Achmed the Dead Terrorist tarafından gönderilen ileti:
It takes no skill at all and all you need to do is hold W and M1 while pressing M2 every few seconds and you have the top of the leader board.
Ok, apply that to any of the other classes, now do you see your mistake? Any and every class can w+m1. Should every class and every weapon be nerfed? No. Stay out of a phlog pyros range and guess what! No crits or health for him.
Phlog pyro can generate mmph with a scorch shot or a flare gun, so the range thing applies to a lesser degree.

EDIT: Or detonator
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Noble Hatter's Violet 20 Şub 2014 @ 12:35am 
Frozen Today tarafından gönderilen ileti:
Noble Hatter's Violet tarafından gönderilen ileti:
Ok, apply that to any of the other classes, now do you see your mistake? Any and every class can w+m1. Should every class and every weapon be nerfed? No. Stay out of a phlog pyros range and guess what! No crits or health for him.
Phlog pyro can generate mmph with a scorch shot or a flare gun, so the range thing applies to a lesser degree.

EDIT: Or detonator
Slow moving projectiles that are pretty easy to dodge, even with the AoE of the Scorch Shot and Detonator.
Conga (Yasaklı) 20 Şub 2014 @ 12:36am 
Noble Hatter's Violet tarafından gönderilen ileti:
Frozen Today tarafından gönderilen ileti:
Phlog pyro can generate mmph with a scorch shot or a flare gun, so the range thing applies to a lesser degree.

EDIT: Or detonator
Slow moving projectiles that are pretty easy to dodge, even with the AoE of the Scorch Shot and Detonator.
It's easy to shoot a sniper with a flaregun abusing his tunnel vison.
En son Conga tarafından düzenlendi; 20 Şub 2014 @ 12:37am
Noble Hatter's Violet 20 Şub 2014 @ 12:39am 
Achmed the Dead Terrorist tarafından gönderilen ileti:
Noble Hatter's Violet tarafından gönderilen ileti:
Slow moving projectiles that are pretty easy to dodge, even with the AoE of the Scorch Shot and Detonator.
It's easy to shoot a sniper with a flaregun abusing his tunnel vison.
That is a bad sniper then. A sniper should never be permanently scoped in unless he is shooting something. A sniper should also never be standing still unless scoped in, shooting something.
Conga (Yasaklı) 20 Şub 2014 @ 12:43am 
Noble Hatter's Violet tarafından gönderilen ileti:
Achmed the Dead Terrorist tarafından gönderilen ileti:
It's easy to shoot a sniper with a flaregun abusing his tunnel vison.
That is a bad sniper then. A sniper should never be permanently scoped in unless he is shooting something. A sniper should also never be standing still unless scoped in, shooting something.
The average server has a good everything and a bad everything. You will have snipers who quick-scope and snipers who stand still permanantly zoomed in.
Frozen Today 20 Şub 2014 @ 12:44am 
Noble Hatter's Violet tarafından gönderilen ileti:
Achmed the Dead Terrorist tarafından gönderilen ileti:
It's easy to shoot a sniper with a flaregun abusing his tunnel vison.
That is a bad sniper then. A sniper should never be permanently scoped in unless he is shooting something. A sniper should also never be standing still unless scoped in, shooting something.
I don't want the impression to come across that I think the Pyro is overpowered, I really don't think that. I do however think the phlogistonator is too good at what it does. Yes it has counters, and that's why it isn't "OP."
Conga (Yasaklı) 20 Şub 2014 @ 12:47am 
Frozen Today tarafından gönderilen ileti:
Noble Hatter's Violet tarafından gönderilen ileti:
That is a bad sniper then. A sniper should never be permanently scoped in unless he is shooting something. A sniper should also never be standing still unless scoped in, shooting something.
I don't want the impression to come across that I think the Pyro is overpowered, I really don't think that. I do however think the phlogistonator is too good at what it does. Yes it has counters, and that's why it isn't "OP."

It's OP as hell. It just takes 225 damage to give you:
A: free crits
and
B: full hp

seems legit
En son Conga tarafından düzenlendi; 20 Şub 2014 @ 12:47am
Noble Hatter's Violet 20 Şub 2014 @ 12:48am 
Achmed the Dead Terrorist tarafından gönderilen ileti:
Noble Hatter's Violet tarafından gönderilen ileti:
That is a bad sniper then. A sniper should never be permanently scoped in unless he is shooting something. A sniper should also never be standing still unless scoped in, shooting something.
The average server has a good everything and a bad everything. You will have snipers who quick-scope and snipers who stand still permanantly zoomed in.
Just because there are bad players doesn't mean the Phlog is OP. No weapon is truely OP; yes some are obviously a lot better than their counterparts that could do with rebalancing, but its the skill level of the user that makes certain weapons seem OP.
Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ JoshuaKurayami 20 Şub 2014 @ 12:50am 
Give the powerjack's negative to the pyro's phlog. Now he will have to actually fight for the crits properly.
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