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Mr. Conga (禁止済) 2014年2月20日 0時06分
Phlog needs a nerf
It's basicly Free crits and free hp. It takes no skill at all and all you need to do is hold W and M1 while pressing M2 every few seconds and you have the top of the leader board. Please nerf this item. Any ideas on how to nerf this item?

best nerf ideas so far:
The Pinnacle Of Crayon's ~ Minicrits instead of crits.
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Satsujin Jiken 2014年2月20日 0時09分 
Not sure if troll...
Mr. Conga (禁止済) 2014年2月20日 0時10分 
Satsujin Jiken の投稿を引用:
Not sure if troll...
The phlog is broken. It's free crits for playing pyro.
The Defective Crayon 2014年2月20日 0時16分 
If this is a troll thread, I'll play along.

What if it still healed you, but, the damage output is Mini-Crits instead of Full-Crits?
Mr. Conga (禁止済) 2014年2月20日 0時17分 
The Pinnacle Of Crayon's の投稿を引用:
If this is a troll thread, I'll play along.

What if it still healed you, but, the damage output is Mini-Crits instead of Full-Crits?
I'd find the minicrits balanced but this isn't a troll thread
Frozen Today 2014年2月20日 0時30分 
Achmed the Dead Terrorist の投稿を引用:
The phlog is broken. It's free crits for playing pyro.
So is the backburner? I'm not sure I understand that assessment.



The Pinnacle Of Crayon's の投稿を引用:
If this is a troll thread, I'll play along.

What if it still healed you, but, the damage output is Mini-Crits instead of Full-Crits?
The healing isn't even really the problem, it's the full crits, and maybe the absurd resistance. (I know it was knocked down from 90% to 75%, but I'd make it as low as 50%)
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Noble Hatter's Violet 2014年2月20日 0時31分 
Achmed the Dead Terrorist の投稿を引用:
It takes no skill at all and all you need to do is hold W and M1 while pressing M2 every few seconds and you have the top of the leader board.
Ok, apply that to any of the other classes, now do you see your mistake? Any and every class can w+m1. Should every class and every weapon be nerfed? No. Stay out of a phlog pyros range and guess what! No crits or health for him.
Frozen Today 2014年2月20日 0時33分 
Noble Hatter's Violet の投稿を引用:
Achmed the Dead Terrorist の投稿を引用:
It takes no skill at all and all you need to do is hold W and M1 while pressing M2 every few seconds and you have the top of the leader board.
Ok, apply that to any of the other classes, now do you see your mistake? Any and every class can w+m1. Should every class and every weapon be nerfed? No. Stay out of a phlog pyros range and guess what! No crits or health for him.
Phlog pyro can generate mmph with a scorch shot or a flare gun, so the range thing applies to a lesser degree.

EDIT: Or detonator
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Noble Hatter's Violet 2014年2月20日 0時35分 
Frozen Today の投稿を引用:
Noble Hatter's Violet の投稿を引用:
Ok, apply that to any of the other classes, now do you see your mistake? Any and every class can w+m1. Should every class and every weapon be nerfed? No. Stay out of a phlog pyros range and guess what! No crits or health for him.
Phlog pyro can generate mmph with a scorch shot or a flare gun, so the range thing applies to a lesser degree.

EDIT: Or detonator
Slow moving projectiles that are pretty easy to dodge, even with the AoE of the Scorch Shot and Detonator.
Mr. Conga (禁止済) 2014年2月20日 0時36分 
Noble Hatter's Violet の投稿を引用:
Frozen Today の投稿を引用:
Phlog pyro can generate mmph with a scorch shot or a flare gun, so the range thing applies to a lesser degree.

EDIT: Or detonator
Slow moving projectiles that are pretty easy to dodge, even with the AoE of the Scorch Shot and Detonator.
It's easy to shoot a sniper with a flaregun abusing his tunnel vison.
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Noble Hatter's Violet 2014年2月20日 0時39分 
Achmed the Dead Terrorist の投稿を引用:
Noble Hatter's Violet の投稿を引用:
Slow moving projectiles that are pretty easy to dodge, even with the AoE of the Scorch Shot and Detonator.
It's easy to shoot a sniper with a flaregun abusing his tunnel vison.
That is a bad sniper then. A sniper should never be permanently scoped in unless he is shooting something. A sniper should also never be standing still unless scoped in, shooting something.
Mr. Conga (禁止済) 2014年2月20日 0時43分 
Noble Hatter's Violet の投稿を引用:
Achmed the Dead Terrorist の投稿を引用:
It's easy to shoot a sniper with a flaregun abusing his tunnel vison.
That is a bad sniper then. A sniper should never be permanently scoped in unless he is shooting something. A sniper should also never be standing still unless scoped in, shooting something.
The average server has a good everything and a bad everything. You will have snipers who quick-scope and snipers who stand still permanantly zoomed in.
Frozen Today 2014年2月20日 0時44分 
Noble Hatter's Violet の投稿を引用:
Achmed the Dead Terrorist の投稿を引用:
It's easy to shoot a sniper with a flaregun abusing his tunnel vison.
That is a bad sniper then. A sniper should never be permanently scoped in unless he is shooting something. A sniper should also never be standing still unless scoped in, shooting something.
I don't want the impression to come across that I think the Pyro is overpowered, I really don't think that. I do however think the phlogistonator is too good at what it does. Yes it has counters, and that's why it isn't "OP."
Mr. Conga (禁止済) 2014年2月20日 0時47分 
Frozen Today の投稿を引用:
Noble Hatter's Violet の投稿を引用:
That is a bad sniper then. A sniper should never be permanently scoped in unless he is shooting something. A sniper should also never be standing still unless scoped in, shooting something.
I don't want the impression to come across that I think the Pyro is overpowered, I really don't think that. I do however think the phlogistonator is too good at what it does. Yes it has counters, and that's why it isn't "OP."

It's OP as hell. It just takes 225 damage to give you:
A: free crits
and
B: full hp

seems legit
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Noble Hatter's Violet 2014年2月20日 0時48分 
Achmed the Dead Terrorist の投稿を引用:
Noble Hatter's Violet の投稿を引用:
That is a bad sniper then. A sniper should never be permanently scoped in unless he is shooting something. A sniper should also never be standing still unless scoped in, shooting something.
The average server has a good everything and a bad everything. You will have snipers who quick-scope and snipers who stand still permanantly zoomed in.
Just because there are bad players doesn't mean the Phlog is OP. No weapon is truely OP; yes some are obviously a lot better than their counterparts that could do with rebalancing, but its the skill level of the user that makes certain weapons seem OP.
Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ JoshuaKurayami 2014年2月20日 0時50分 
Give the powerjack's negative to the pyro's phlog. Now he will have to actually fight for the crits properly.
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