little sak 8 Jun 18 @ 6:47pm
Nerfs weren't needed
The stickybomb launcher was powerful at mid range, but horrible at close range. Any scout with half a brain could wreck a demoman at close range.

And why did they nerf pyro? pyro is already one of the worst classes in competitive, mainly used for spy checking, spam control, and nullifying ubercharges. It has low dps with its flamethrower, and pretty much lost much of its short range capabilities now.
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Warmsie :3 Jun 18 @ 6:49pm 
Because the game isn't balanced around competitive?
Demomen can use his melee for close range, and the stickybomb was easily spammable.

The pyro's axtinguisher could easily kill enemies with the lowest health with one crit hit with the axtinguisher. It is also literally the only weapon that has been nerfed, so stop whining.
Smugleaf Jun 18 @ 6:51pm 
Originally posted by Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ JoshuaKurayami:
The pyro's axtinguisher could easily kill enemies with the lowest health with one crit hit with the axtinguisher. It is also literally the only weapon that has been nerfed, so stop whining.

The Wrangler also got nerfed too.
Cruel Destiny Jun 18 @ 6:51pm 
While I do agree with the close range thing. Hilariously amusing as a demoman myself.. running up and smacking sticky spammers with my Pain train while they fire rather uselessly..

I guess it was because of the large amount of "Fire sticky while holding right click and have massive damage every second" . . . skill. . . that became REALLY prevalent the past year.
little sak 8 Jun 18 @ 6:53pm 
Originally posted by Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ JoshuaKurayami:
Demomen can use his melee for close range, and the stickybomb was easily spammable.

The pyro's axtinguisher could easily kill enemies with the lowest health with one crit hit with the axtinguisher. It is also literally the only weapon that has been nerfed, so stop whining.
lol melee. if you are a half decent scout, you will know that you should never get in melee range, especially if they have their melee weapon out.
yea, and a scout can 2 shot any class with its scattergun that isn't named heavy or soldier (unless you get perfect meatshots). a soldier can do the same thing. And no, the stickybomb launcher got nerfed as well

Originally posted by Warmsie :3:
Because the game isn't balanced around competitive?
Even so, pyro is still a weak class. Literally only huge noobs can get axed, and then they complain about it.
Originally posted by Warmsie :3:
Because the game isn't balanced around competitive?
Mr.Tickles | APP Jun 18 @ 6:55pm 
Originally posted by Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ JoshuaKurayami:
Demomen can use his melee for close range, and the stickybomb was easily spammable.

The pyro's axtinguisher could easily kill enemies with the lowest health with one crit hit with the axtinguisher. It is also literally the only weapon that has been nerfed, so stop whining.

It actually has not been. I have a feeling that heavy is going to be even more brain dead to play now that it has damage ramp up and accuracy ramp up. Meaning its better to have it revved before rounding corners.

Kind of reduced the effectiveness of mid jump wind up tactic. Pretty much the only thought you had to put into the class.
little sak 8 Jun 18 @ 6:55pm 
Originally posted by Smugleaf:
Originally posted by Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ JoshuaKurayami:
The pyro's axtinguisher could easily kill enemies with the lowest health with one crit hit with the axtinguisher. It is also literally the only weapon that has been nerfed, so stop whining.

The Wrangler also got nerfed too.
yea i saw that too, forgot to mention it. This is the second wrangler nerf this year. I don't get why they still refuse to nerf the short circuit more
CAR_ Jun 18 @ 6:56pm 
Wrangler nerf is worst. Engie now useless class outside of Valve servers. GG.
brayn Jun 18 @ 6:56pm 
Originally posted by Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ JoshuaKurayami:
Demomen can use his melee for close range, and the stickybomb was easily spammable.

The pyro's axtinguisher could easily kill enemies with the lowest health with one crit hit with the axtinguisher. It is also literally the only weapon that has been nerfed, so stop whining.

... Are you serious? Melee does almost nothing in tf2, especially for classes like soldiers and scouts that destroy demomen. The sticky launcher was also very heavily nerfed. I don't know what you're talking about; you can no longer get massive dm out of them. The axtinguisher nerf doesn't mean as much; it's hard to get an axe on a good player.
Electrik Jun 18 @ 6:58pm 
i think the reason valve nerfed the weps is so we could have a different tf2 experiance. (that or valve are a bunch of trolls to the pyro)
Uneazy Jun 18 @ 6:59pm 
how else will they get people to switch to the classes with new weapons and buy from the mann co store
Reality Jun 18 @ 7:07pm 
I expect sticky nerf to be revoked. The current schema affects scotish resitance too. I assume beta testers have no understanding of weapon heckling with the shotgun.

Wrangler nerf dosen't isn't as bad as it looks, since primarly a wrangled sentry will be shootnig at someone in normal range a lot of the time , and it's (good old)increased fire rate still gives them less time to get out of normal range. I personally expect it to be as hard as minigun falloff, but that will still kill snipers or soldiers trying to cheese a sentry with sustainable results.

Heavy nerf is kicking him while he's down.......
9B! Walki Jun 18 @ 7:12pm 
Wrangler is useless , as always.
Originally posted by brainpwnz:
Originally posted by Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ JoshuaKurayami:
Demomen can use his melee for close range, and the stickybomb was easily spammable.

The pyro's axtinguisher could easily kill enemies with the lowest health with one crit hit with the axtinguisher. It is also literally the only weapon that has been nerfed, so stop whining.

... Are you serious? Melee does almost nothing in tf2, especially for classes like soldiers and scouts that destroy demomen. The sticky launcher was also very heavily nerfed. I don't know what you're talking about; you can no longer get massive dm out of them. The axtinguisher nerf doesn't mean as much; it's hard to get an axe on a good player.

hard to axe? what are you, a w+m1 pyro with the backburner or phlog? because you have to be pretty ♥♥♥♥ if you can't use timing with degreaser and axtinguisher.
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