Razorback needs a bit of a *rebalance

[Telly Gomi]

Against any spy who isn't a total idiot, the razorback is useless to stop them from attacking you outright.

I know 'but Tibbles, it makes them break their cover to shoot you'

This is only useful if you camp at a sentry nest the whole time. And a sentry nest a sniper can shoot out of is a nest a sniper can shoot into and kill the sentries. Or all a spy has to do is kill the engineer, sap the buildings, and then you can get killed. That's if the spy is 1v1 you and an engie.

Point being unless you're in a very specific circumstance, the razorback is about useless against spies in general.

Since it technically protects from a melee attack, I want to improve upon that.

Razorback:
Blocks a single backstab attempt
30% Melee damage resistance until broken
Shield breaks when below health threshold (40%)
Prevents spy from attacking/swapping weapons/cloaking for 2 seconds
(apparently I only percieved it as being slowed down by the backstab. But for real it's like you move a lot slower right when you backstab the razorback)

Now there's value in breaking the sniper's razorback without putting yourself as the spy in extreme danger due to how the hidden feature of the razorback works.

It slows down and prevents the spy who broke the razorback from attacking for several seconds, leaving them very vulnerable to retaliation from the sniper. Demoknights won't be such powerful antipersonnel units in the field anymore that there's snoipers with the razorback as well. A good demoknight can dominate even mid tier pubs.

[Evilcheesewheel]

Yeah but what's stopping the spies from just shooting the sniper?

[drooskie]

That is a rather pointless buff, but it doesn't need a buff in general...

[Tsar Butterfly]

Except the Razorback makes sniper damn near invincible in Highlander, so no.

[Nihil]

5 melee hits to kill a sniper sounds very reasonable

[drooskie]

Originally posted by The Sharp Cane:

Except the Razorback makes sniper damn near invincible in Highlander, so no.

People don't seem to understand that the Spy having to shoot you is a pretty big advantage alone.

[Telly Gomi]

Originally posted by Kagetane Hiruko:

5 melee hits to kill a sniper sounds very reasonable

Meanwhile you can one shot 7/9 of the classes extremely reliably as a demoknight.

Originally posted by The Sharp Cane:

Except the Razorback makes sniper damn near invincible in Highlander, so no.

Because the spy gets slowed down and can't attack or switch weapons after stabbing a razorback. :U

Originally posted by ѕιℓєηтηιηנα:

Originally posted by The Sharp Cane:

Except the Razorback makes sniper damn near invincible in Highlander, so no.

People don't seem to understand that the Spy having to shoot you is a pretty big advantage alone.

In that range, you would swap to your I guess ambassador, and shoot them in the head at close range, would you not? Just about as fast, and 'a pointless buff' was the thing someone said last time I put this up.

What makes it pointless? The fact that it is melee and not some unrelated ♥♥♥♥ like fire resistance is the point.

If I said fire resistace 'why fire resistance? doesn't he have jarate? Isn't the razorback made of woodd?'

[flyrefly]

Originally posted by The Sharp Cane:

Except the Razorback makes sniper damn near invincible in Highlander, so no.

No it just gives them some insurance allowing more focus, a gun is still going to take down a sniper but you have more time to do something about it.

[rogan]

Razorback is fine as is. It's just a crutch for unaware snipers.
And yes, it does hurt spies a bit. They've got to either avoid the sniper or take the time to take out the gun and shoot them down- alerting all nearby enemies that a spy is there.

[GameEnjoyer9000]

It does not need a buff also if you are having so much problems just check behind you every now and then NOT THAT HARD.

[Telly Gomi]

Originally posted by Gam3mast3r01:

It does not need a buff also if you are having so much problems just check behind you every now and then NOT THAT HARD.

Checking behind you doesn't stop a spy from shooting at you with their gun. And when you're facing a team that's got like 4-5 spies running around, the razorback's use starts to become more viable. But like I was saying in the OP, it's usefulness right now is extremely situational and one-dimensional.

It's also like saying 'nobody even uses the third degree why does it need reworked?'

[GameEnjoyer9000]

Originally posted by Pvt. Tibbles:

Originally posted by Gam3mast3r01:

It does not need a buff also if you are having so much problems just check behind you every now and then NOT THAT HARD.

Checking behind you doesn't stop a spy from shooting at you with their gun. And when you're facing a team that's got like 4-5 spies running around, the razorback's use starts to become more viable. But like I was saying in the OP, it's usefulness right now is extremely situational and one-dimensional.

It's also like saying 'nobody even uses the third degree why does it need reworked?'

What you are saying is like "GIVE SPY A WEAPON THAT DAMAGES AND SLOWS PYROS WHEN THEY HIT HIM"

[Vlad the Impala]

At high levels, sniper is downright overpowered. 150 damage at any range, 450 if they charge it down. In a game that revolves around short/mid range combat, sniper just completely wrecks that balance at a high level of play. Sniper at that level needs no buffs.

[drooskie]

Originally posted by 3dge23dge:

At high levels, sniper is downright overpowered. 150 damage at any range, 450 if they charge it down. In a game that revolves around short/mid range combat, sniper just completely wrecks that balance at a high level of play. Sniper at that level needs no buffs.

Spy was also intended to counter Sniper, and hes given stuff to help against that.

What a ♥♥♥♥♥♥-ass balance team. Always butchering class relationships

[DeMino]

Originally posted by ѕιℓєηтηιηנα:

That is a rather pointless buff, but it doesn't need a buff in general...

[drooskie]

Originally posted by Pvt. Tibbles:

Originally posted by Gam3mast3r01:

It does not need a buff also if you are having so much problems just check behind you every now and then NOT THAT HARD.

Checking behind you doesn't stop a spy from shooting at you with their gun. And when you're facing a team that's got like 4-5 spies running around, the razorback's use starts to become more viable. But like I was saying in the OP, it's usefulness right now is extremely situational and one-dimensional.

It's a anti-class unlock that specifically targets his counter class. It shouldn't even exist. If it's usefulness is situational, then let it be so.