About the Spy and Medic...

[The No Longer Mute]

Look guys, there's apparently a lot of hate toward the spy, and a lot of praise toward the medic. Let me, in a non aggresive way, try to keep things striaght. PLEASE READ EVERYTHING BEFORE POSTING.

What I agree with:
Spy - Yes, he is overused at times. Yes he stacks up too much. But let me tell you, having too many of ANY class puts your team at a disadvantage. For example, too many medics? Not nearly as much firepower. Too many heavies? Easily killed by spies, snipers, and possibly other heavys. Too many engie's? Too few attackers.

Medic - YES he's an essential asset to the team. His healing and ubercharge are very effective. And although easily killed, the medic is definitely a great thing for a team. Especially a good one.

NOW... for some claims I do NOT agree with:
Spy -

Claim: Spy is OP
My thoughts: No he's not! I may not have very much play time on here, but I have enough to know that if ANY class is used well, they can be devastating to the other team. Good spy? Sentries are nowhere. Good scout? YOU CAN'T KILL THE PIECE OF GARBAGE! There is nothing about the spy that is OP. If blown cover, he is basically screwed. Especially if he's got a pyro problem. Let me put it this way: The MEDIC is better prepared to defend himself than the spy is!

Speaking of pyro...

Claim: Spies are useless now. Everyone knows their tricks, and everyone spychecks.
My thoughts: Really? Spies are useless? BULL!!! Sure, everyone knows their tricks, fine. But guess what? PEOPLE STILL FALL FOR IT! I can be a decent spy, and I have been looking up a lot of old advice and tricks for playing as spy, and these things are years old. And guess what? They STILL work! You people STILL fall for trickstabs, you STILL fall for my disguise, you STILL fall for the Dead Ringer! By the way, the Dead Ringer seems to be easy to fool the other team with nowadays. Seriously, I find it EASY to fool the other team.

Everyone spychecks? First of all, this is I believe untrue, but FINE! What if it is? I'll just go another route! I'll go the long way, I'll go where no one else is, where there's less traffic. Not too hard.

Claim: Spies can sap sentries, but other classes can easily do the same. Not useful.
Answer: Really? Then why is it that they fail MISERABLY at doing it? If the sentry is too hidden, you need to go directly in front of it in order to shoot at it. If it's too far, the heavy is useless because it's NOT accurate at all in long range. Sniper needs to be far enough away, AND the Engineer has to be absent so that his damage can't be fixed. The demoman needs good aim to hit the sentry directly. This is hard to do especially with the other team wailing bullets at you. And it takes a few bombs to do it. Sticky bombs are an option, but just either pack up and dodge them, or use the wrangler and defend it. OR you could destry the bombs before the demodude does. Soldiers, again, need to have good aim and are easily dodged by packing up and moving for a second. WHATEVER! Spies can do it EASILY. Backing up against a wall won't help you, and I can sap and kill rather easily. Spies ARE useful! Not to mention he could, even if he failed to destroy them, he can DOWNGRADE the sentries with a certain sapper! The only time where spies have serious trouble with them, is when there are 2 sentries and 2 engineers. THAT is hard. THAT is when you need heavy's and stuff.

Now, about the medic...

Look, I understand that he's a great asset to the team. He is! But don't tell me:

Medic -

Claim: Medic is the reason why our team wins!
Answer: Although this is true in many cases, not always. Just because you have a medic, doesn't mean you're going to win. Are you going to use his UBERCHARGE CORRECTLY!?!?!?!? (I hate it when people waste them which happens a lot for me). Are you a good enough player to take advantage of that overheal? If the entire team is filled with noobs, a medic isn't going to win the battle for you. He HELPS, he gives your team an advantage, but if the other team has a medic too, the odds are equal again. Both teams can ubercharge, both teams can heal, both teams need a spy to take 4-eyes OUT!

Claim: Medic is the reason why our team LOST!
Answer: YOU'RE the reason why this team lost. I healed you a lot. I healed everyone as equally as I could. I ubered the right people, you took advantage of it. I did everything right. Stop blaming the medic for everything. Also, even if I suck at medic, FINE. Don't rely on me if you know I suck! Go for health packs. Relying on a bad medic (one who doesn't heal everyone) gets you killed. Why? Because you are going to be standing RIGHT in front of him, wasting time, and get NOTHING from the medic because he's too busy overhealing a heavy. Word of advice: If the medic sucks, don't rely on him. Play as if there is none.

Claim: Medics are the best class!
Answer: Can medics destroy sentries and other buildings? Can they kill that FREAKING SNIPER over there? Can they fight in the middle of the battlefield? No. That's for spy, and every other class. The medic can barely defend himself against a Spy, and his gun, although underestimated, is not very good... I agree with the scout. "ooooh your gun shoots medicine!"

Just a few more thoughts about the medic:
- I think his personality is the weakest out of all of them. He's just a typical mad scientist. Whatever. Spy at least shows sophistication, and a little sarcasm here and there. Medic... is boring.
- Is it me, or does the medic not talk as much? Part of the reason why I think the Medic's personality is boring
- Look, if everyone loves the Medic, and almost everyone does, then WHY is it rarely played? If it's such a fun useful and PERFECT class, why isn't anyone who loves him, playing as him? "Hey, we need a medic!" how about YOU go medic? That's what I do when I'm not in the mood for action.

Note: I do NOT hate the medic, nor think the spy is better than him. They're completely different classes. I'm just saying that the spy is WAY too hated, and the medic is WAY too loved. No hate please. Also, sorry for any grammar, or spelling mistakes.

[Peter Muskrat]

people play real competitive tf2?

[The No Longer Mute]

YØNB!. eredeti hozzászólása:

non

Huh?

[SOL]

This is so stupid, even though you didn't speak you Spy & Medic's Weapons. You're speaking to your self and the whole TF2 Community and Fans and for some reason in my opinion Medics and Spies are one of the best classes (even the weapons)

First of all,KritzKrieg. Losing Ubercharge for 100% kritz & Diamond Back, Every Building and backstab gets you a FREE CRIT.

Second, Spy is OP, Cause a Backstab can kill all classes within a sec.
Third, In MVM only Medic can build his shield and protect all bullets and projectiles and that are coming, Also hel;p Engies defend thier Sentries. Speaking of Sentry Busters, Spy can use his Sapper to slow the buster down.

I kinda disargee,

[The No Longer Mute]

Arctical Pole eredeti hozzászólása:

This is so stupid, even though you didn't speak you Spy & Medic's Weapons. You're speaking to your self and the whole TF2 Community and Fans and for some reason in my opinion Medics and Spies are one of the best classes (even the weapons)

First of all,KritzKrieg. Losing Ubercharge for 100% kritz & Diamond Back, Every Building and backstab gets you a FREE CRIT.

Second, Spy is OP, Cause a Backstab can kill all classes within a sec.
Third, In MVM only Medic can build his shield and protect all bullets and projectiles and that are coming, Also hel;p Engies defend thier Sentries. Speaking of Sentry Busters, Spy can use his Sapper to slow the buster down.

I kinda disargee,

Alright, KritzKrieg is good then. Just another reason why medic is a useful class :D

The spy can kill in one hit, but if ANYONE else sees that happen, that spy is screwed. Even if he cloaks, any pyro/soldier can predict where he would go. It's not too hard to kill a spy. It's EXTREMELY hard to get a kill chain without getting caught. So although the backstab is effective, and the diamondback is also effective, the spy is probably the easiest class to kill. SO if you hit him once, you can follow his trail of flickering and hit him twice, three times, and he's dead. The only way for a spy to be OP is if the player is particularly good. And there aren't too many of those.

And by the way, critz are bull shoot if you ask me. Get rid of them valve. They suck. I agree with you on that.

[SOL]

Shadow eredeti hozzászólása:

Arctical Pole eredeti hozzászólása:

This is so stupid, even though you didn't speak you Spy & Medic's Weapons. You're speaking to your self and the whole TF2 Community and Fans and for some reason in my opinion Medics and Spies are one of the best classes (even the weapons)

First of all,KritzKrieg. Losing Ubercharge for 100% kritz & Diamond Back, Every Building and backstab gets you a FREE CRIT.

Second, Spy is OP, Cause a Backstab can kill all classes within a sec.
Third, In MVM only Medic can build his shield and protect all bullets and projectiles and that are coming, Also hel;p Engies defend thier Sentries. Speaking of Sentry Busters, Spy can use his Sapper to slow the buster down.

I kinda disargee,

Alright, KritzKrieg is good then. Just another reason why medic is a useful class :D

The spy can kill in one hit, but if ANYONE else sees that happen, that spy is screwed. Even if he cloaks, any pyro/soldier can predict where he would go. It's not too hard to kill a spy. It's EXTREMELY hard to get a kill chain without getting caught. So although the backstab is effective, and the diamondback is also effective, the spy is probably the easiest class to kill. SO if you hit him once, you can follow his trail of flickering and hit him twice, three times, and he's dead. The only way for a spy to be OP is if the player is particularly good. And there aren't too many of those.

And by the way, critz are bull shoot if you ask me. Get rid of them valve. They suck. I agree with you on that.

The Spy's equipment can fix that, First we have this Spy-cicle/Your Eternal Reward (YER) that helps Spy become a nice and powerful stealthy killer, but the downsides are The Spy-Cicle needs to be regen 15 secs before using it again by fire. The YER, no disguise kit.

Spy's watches one of the OP things within the game which many Nerfs including the DEAD RINGER, Match this with the Spy-cicle and the Diamond back you become highly-resisstance to fire without anything in your way. The 10 sec will way you time but you GOT KRITZ STORED m8?

[legoman2957]

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[Driftkel]

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[SOL]

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Dammit. Stop spamming le video.

That Video is funny LOL

[ferānggî]

Vengeance eredeti hozzászólása:

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[90s Wizard]

the medic can do nearly everything the spy can. he can uber a heavy, pyro, demo, soldiers to remove a sentry/sentry nest, and the spy can backstab and the medic can kill with a uber saw (besides heavy and some pyros)

[The No Longer Mute]

db Thunder Chaser λ³ eredeti hozzászólása:

the medic can do nearly everything the spy can. he can uber a heavy, pyro, demo, soldiers to remove a sentry/sentry nest, and the spy can backstab and the medic can kill with a uber saw (besides heavy and some pyros)

Not all the time. And I don't see them being successful much either.

[TheDreadbyrd]

Shadow eredeti hozzászólása:

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Just a few more thoughts about the medic:
- I think his personality is the weakest out of all of them. He's just a typical mad scientist. Whatever. Spy at least shows sophistication, and a little sarcasm here and there. Medic... is boring.
- Is it me, or does the medic not talk as much? Part of the reason why I think the Medic's personality is boring

Personally I like Medic's character, mainly becaue he is still a bit of a mystery. I have a feeling that there is more to him than just typical mad scientist, afterall he is the only merc besides Pyro whose origins we know nothing about other than that he lost his medical license for stealing a patient's skeleton and also hijacking a van full of doves from a wedding (there is more known of Archimedes origins than we do the Medic), also he may or may not be/been married depending on how much you can believe Demo's taunt. As for him not saying much, it may be that he has high standards for himself, afterall he dresses almost as neatly as Spy does. He and Pyro are the only ones that don't have lines for magical mercenary hat (though Pyro that one is kind of obvious why), and I could see the Medic believing that such a hat being beneath him. There also may be a chance that other than Heavy and Engineer, that he finds his fellow mercs to be below his standards, I can see Scout easily getting on his bad side. Then there is the entire question of whether or not he will actually go through with aiding the TFC team defeat his own, personally I think his friendship with Heavy will pull him away from helping Gray Mann.

So it maybe that his character may not seem like much in the game, but there maybe more to him in the comics for the Meet the Team videos. Also, I kind of find it fitting that Medic is the one character to be less noticed. Can't count how many times playing Medic that my team has forgotten that I am a high target for the other team and need some protecting.

But then again I got this.
http://steamcommunity.com/id/SquirrelQueen/inventory/#440_2_2220315828

[Autistic Whales]

Ok, let me start with spy and medic are my favourite classes.
Let me start, SPYS ARER NOT OP!
Spys backstab for insta kills BUT any class could destroy them if seen, and theres like 15 people.
If a pyro actually spy checks then the spy is dead, simple as.
THE SPY IS BAD AT FIGHTING, first of, the revovler, does about 20 damage a shot and its not fast and has 6 bullets in a clip, THATS TERRIBLE, the ambassader does ALOT of damage to the head but useless otherwise.
The spys watches are powerfull but there escape tools, if a spy didn't have them then he would be to weak to be bothered with.
Also the backstabs make him a good class, taking away the backstabs is like taking the medic gun off a medic, THERE USELESS!
Also its hard to play, I am good at it so I get lots of backstabs but not many people play them so it isent hard to defend your self from spys.
Also as shadow said a whole team of spys would be bad.
Now with the medic.
MEDICS ARNT A INSTA WIN, medics are a great help but they dont make you win or lose.
Also they arn't the best class, they all are pretty much.
One last thing, MEDICS ARE NOT BAD AT FIGHTING!
I absolutly hate it when they say medics are terrible at fighting, THERE NOT!
I have killed lots of heavys, scout, demos you name it as a medic so please just stop saying there bad at fighting.
Well thats my insight, what do you think?

[TheDreadbyrd]

ShadowGamerPug eredeti hozzászólása:

Ok, let me start with spy and medic are my favourite classes.
Let me start, SPYS ARER NOT OP!
Spys backstab for insta kills BUT any class could destroy them if seen, and theres like 15 people.
If a pyro actually spy checks then the spy is dead, simple as.
THE SPY IS BAD AT FIGHTING, first of, the revovler, does about 20 damage a shot and its not fast and has 6 bullets in a clip, THATS TERRIBLE, the ambassader does ALOT of damage to the head but useless otherwise.
The spys watches are powerfull but there escape tools, if a spy didn't have them then he would be to weak to be bothered with.
Also the backstabs make him a good class, taking away the backstabs is like taking the medic gun off a medic, THERE USELESS!
Also its hard to play, I am good at it so I get lots of backstabs but not many people play them so it isent hard to defend your self from spys.
Also as shadow said a whole team of spys would be bad.
Now with the medic.
MEDICS ARNT A INSTA WIN, medics are a great help but they dont make you win or lose.
Also they arn't the best class, they all are pretty much.
One last thing, MEDICS ARE NOT BAD AT FIGHTING!
I absolutly hate it when they say medics are terrible at fighting, THERE NOT!
I have killed lots of heavys, scout, demos you name it as a medic so please just stop saying there bad at fighting.
Well thats my insight, what do you think?

I always find it funny that people think Medic is the best class. There really is no best class it all depends on how well you play at whatever class you are comfortable with. As someone who mains Medic I can certainly say that he is squishy, very squishy. You constantly have to be moving or risk being killed on the spot. He needs protecting. There are times where I have been singled out as Medic by the other team. Literally I have had someone on the other team type in chat "Kill the Medic before the others." and have had to run far far from the heat of battle where I could do little healing while being chased by soldiers, demos, and scouts, (though I have sacrificed a gibus Medic on my team in order to escape once).
Medic isn't an instant win either. A bad Medic on the field isn't going to make a lick of difference on how the battle is going. A good Medic might only make a small dent in the midst of a fight.
There is the matter of how well the team is in the first place. A Medic can really only be as good as his team. Sure a good Medic might top score on his team, but when he is the only one with say 28 points while the rest of his team is at 12 or below, it won't matter how well he is doing because half the time he is wasting ubers on players that don't even realize that they are invincible with it (had this happen way too many times to count).

And as for Spy being OP. Having dabbled a bit in the art of spying, it is one of the toughest classes out there. Sure you may get an instant kill with a backstab, but there is still the matter of sneaking behind enemy lines without being caught, getting bumped into, or having your target turn just as you are about to backstab them. Medics can be your worst enemy as a spy as well. A good Medic is usually the first to spot a Spy.
http://steamcommunity.com/id/SquirrelQueen/inventory/#440_2_2556048312

[Lagger]

Shadow eredeti hozzászólása:

For example, too many medics? Not nearly as much firepower.

Explain to me why do I need firepower when I can meditrain.