Insidious Bulk Jul 16 @ 6:05am
What people think of Degreaser today
I was playing on a pub server today when the top ranking player, i realised, was a flamethrower. No airblast use, just pure flame. Aside from his being number one, no reason to not use backburner with his playstyle, I just told this guy to try out degreaser + shotgun in order to be more flexible, overall more powerful, fun, and less nooby in general. A guy decided to challenge me on what I personally believe is best flamethrower.

The player has chosen to remain anonymous.

"Degreaser is a crutch."
"It teaches you bad habits" (and w+m1 doesn't?)
"Degreaser trades ability to kill lots of people for ability to kill just one" (This is where I loled hard, so mistaken on so many levels.)
"Degreaser is only good because it lets you use melee" (Okay, so he knows what it does haha. But he has no idea about how to use the class. Its bad if you use melee. Bad bad bad, might as well flame them to do more damage if you are that close.)

What do you think about this? Is this crazy talk of just one player, or the valued opinion of many? Where do you side with, w+m1 pyro or combo pyro?
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The 'Veteran' Soldier Jul 16 @ 6:16am 
When I first played TF2, I didn't even knew of the existence of the airblast. Even after I knew, I continued being a w+m1 pyro. Lately, however, I'm starting to utilize the Degreaser's capabilities, and it's pretty useful.

So basically IMO, both w+m1 and combo Pyro is good. Depends on your style of play. Although W+M1 Pyro is easier to predict and counter.
Siggie Jul 16 @ 6:33am 
It's pretty much worthless unless you pair it with the shotgun
۩≈PoF≈۩ Spud-Mann Jul 16 @ 6:39am 
Originally posted by Siggie:
It's pretty much worthless unless you pair it with the shotgun

Flare Gun? old Axtinguisher? Reserve Shooter?
Яατικ Jul 16 @ 6:39am 
The guy is right in saying its a crutch. The weapon is only really effective when using it with a reserve shooter or stock shotgun and melee weapon.

The guy who was top ranking didnt simply use w+m1 with stock flamethrower to get his kills, thats the way a noob pyro does it. Being a good pyro is determined by flanking enemies and taking buy surprise. People often make the mistake of rushing in as a pyro like they would with a soldier or demoman.

Using a degreaser is only dependant on playstyle, not effectiveness.
Ze Diglett Jul 16 @ 6:41am 
Originally posted by Яατικ:
The guy is right in saying its a crutch. The weapon is only really effective when using it with a reserve shooter or stock shotgun and melee weapon.
Pretty much what this guy said. Maybe add Flare Gun to the hit list.
Fino Jul 16 @ 6:48am 
Originally posted by I, Zilla:
"Degreaser is a crutch."

Sounds to me like he got killed by a Degreaser Pyro one too many times.
YikYakerz Jul 16 @ 6:49am 
A crutch is a weapon that allows lower skilled players to perform better while limiting good players. The degreaser doesn't fit this definition. Seems more like unjustified butthurt from players dying far too often to one of the weakest classes in the game. Probably the same bads that got the axtinguisher nerfed which wasn't even OP.

The degreaser is simply an upgrade from the Flamethrower if you can use it to high potential.
I myself really don't like using Degreaser anymore, it feels like it is the only one that makes you have a chance as Pyro.

I've accustomed myself to use this instead, learing to live without the crayz-fast weapon switch:
http://steamcommunity.com/profiles/76561198072737409/inventory/#440_2_2564800343

The only time i use the Degreaser, is when i feel like using this thing:
http://steamcommunity.com/profiles/76561198072737409/inventory/#440_2_2231751548
lol im on vacation Jul 16 @ 7:13am 
Originally posted by Siggie:
It's pretty much worthless unless you pair it with the shotgun

Reserve shooter?
Ace42 Jul 16 @ 7:21am 
Since the Axtinguisher nerf, Degreaser's taken a bit of a knock. Degreaser flaregun combo is now best reliable burst damage - especially if you can keep flames on during passive reload - but not by a massive margin.

If you're just W+M1ing for AOEs though, the way to go is Phlog for the crits and free health top-ups.
Яατικ Jul 16 @ 7:21am 
Originally posted by Half Life 2: Episode 2: Part 2:
Originally posted by Siggie:
It's pretty much worthless unless you pair it with the shotgun

Reserve shooter?

Either or.
Remilia Scarlet Jul 16 @ 7:25am 
Degreaser is for combo. Backburner is for ambush/planking. Flamethrower is for when you still want to ambush and not wasting airblast ability.
Soon? Jul 16 @ 7:25am 
It is the most balanced Flamethrower there is ATM.
Gives Pyro a decent ability.
Last edited by Soon?; Jul 16 @ 7:26am
drekyl the fire titan Jul 16 @ 7:28am 
WHY IS NOBODY TALKING ABOUT THE PHLOG, D:
Remilia Scarlet Jul 16 @ 7:29am 
Originally posted by drekyl the fire titan:
WHY IS NOBODY TALKING ABOUT THE PHLOG, D:
Because it's the ABSOLUTE WORST Flamethrower.
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