Govenator Justin Bieber Aug 23 @ 12:28pm
Please nerf the Tide Turner!! I actually feel bad for using it...
Stupid miracusly turning+charge on kill= too op
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Applejack Aug 23 @ 12:28pm 
Then don't use it.
­ (Banned) Aug 23 @ 12:29pm 
All 3 sticky launchers are better than the tide turner.
Kakashi Aug 23 @ 6:34pm 
Originally posted by Mitten the Kitten:
All 3 sticky launchers are better than the tide turner.
>Scottish
>nice try 7/10
[.H.A.B.] MegaplayTF64 Aug 23 @ 6:35pm 
I use it with the Half-Zatoichi. Who should be feeling bad huh?
Kakashi Aug 23 @ 6:35pm 
Originally posted by MegaplayTF64:
I use it with the Half-Zatoichi. Who should be feeling bad huh?
nerf please
Ze Diglett Aug 23 @ 6:37pm 
Originally posted by .zadix:
Originally posted by Mitten the Kitten:
All 3 sticky launchers are better than the tide turner.
>Scottish
>nice try 7/10
even though the scottish resistance is actually really good on defense
On the subject of the Tide Turner, no. Just buff the Splendid Screen and maybe the Targe and people will probably stop crying within a matter of time.
Vector Aug 23 @ 6:37pm 
Tide turner with half-zatoichi is hilarious
Silver Flame Aug 23 @ 6:38pm 
All they need to do is increase the knockback you get while useing it. Since you can turn in circles around your target, i think its a good trade off.
Ineffable Cupidity Aug 23 @ 6:39pm 
Because lacking the durability of the Targe, or the shield bash and ability to crit charge at all ranges of the Screen in exchange for situational, flank and gank based shield is automatically OP instead of just filling a different Demoknight role.
Sp00ky Scary Skelet0ns Aug 23 @ 6:47pm 
Originally posted by Duke Crabtree:
Then don't use it.
Ineffable Cupidity Aug 23 @ 6:52pm 
Originally posted by Ze Diglett:
Originally posted by .zadix:
>Scottish
>nice try 7/10
even though the scottish resistance is actually really good on defense
On the subject of the Tide Turner, no. Just buff the Splendid Screen and maybe the Targe and people will probably stop crying within a matter of time.
The Targe is great for handling front lines, and rushing those soldier+medic combos. Targe is pretty nice for offense, as it makes it very easy to close the distance with opponents directly through front lines, or pepper the area with grenades relying on resistances, and waiting for a strong enough opportunity to charge in and clean up.

By contrast, Splendid Screen is very strong for defense, where you have more room to fall back, and your primary issue with charges will be to deny ground to the other team. The ability to get the full melee crit at any range on top of dealing fairly decent shield bash damage means you can effectively assassinate soldiers and the like with quick charges, before falling back. Often times, it can be nice if you flank, as the shield bash knockback will shove a medic away from their patient, so even if they get that panic uber, the push will be somewhat ruined due to the seconds of uber lost from the confusion.

Tide Turner is versatile, and capable of complete turn control, but offers fairly medium resistances, making it poor for front line combat. Especially since you would need to charge for a certain distance in order to get that crit.

The full control makes the Turner superior in narrow hallways, staircases, and more cluttered areas, usually common with flanking routes. The fact that you still need to control your range before charging makes it suitable for ambushes, where you can wait for an optimal situation, charge in, kill, charge out. You lack the burst damage of Screen or sustainability of Targe, making it unsuitable for trying to take out heavier targets, so you'll likely end up bashing and killing a light class, then charging back down your flanking routes.

The optimal situation however, is to flank completely, charge a medic, kill it, then charge again and spearhead a charging melee crit into the back of a Heavy's skull then hope the ensuing chaos lets you survive long enough to keep swinging and killing.

Edit: Unless you're just playing ♥♥♥♥ty Valve servers, in which case, discount what I said, you may as well just use the sticky jumper and Zatochi, or something.
Last edited by Ineffable Cupidity; Aug 23 @ 6:53pm
totally not an alt Aug 23 @ 6:55pm 
Remove resistances, done.
mystical pootis Aug 23 @ 6:55pm 
♥♥♥♥ you keep it ♥♥♥♥♥
Ineffable Cupidity Aug 23 @ 6:55pm 
Originally posted by totally not an alt:
Remove resistances, done.
How about no.
totally not an alt Aug 23 @ 6:56pm 
Originally posted by Ineffable Cupidity:
Originally posted by totally not an alt:
Remove resistances, done.
How about no.
How about why.
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