balance changes - what valve should do.

[Billo]

first of all the Ambassador change is useless and it rewards or punishes spies for luck now- dont change it please.

Gloves of Running Urgently doesnt need a change at all.

the rescue ranger is a good change but it hurts me a bit.

the sandman doesnt need a change it is fine as it is. many people will argue with me cause you dont have the option to do anything but move a bit but i say this, you have a single ball ONLY not 10 and it recharges after 15 secs. i often get hit by it and i dont get frustrated and i often find a way to dogde it.

Flying Guillotine now is useless, dont change it and nerf it to the ground pleeeeaaaseeee

the B.A.S.E Jumper needs one other mechanic which is you can only revome and redeploy the item only once.

Lastly Your Eternal Reward needs a change but not remove entirely it's one challenge but instead i suggest doing something the youtuber after breakfast said which is when you do backstab someone you unlock the discuise of the player you killed.(you killed the soldier you can discuise any time you want as the solder but if you kill a spy after you can discuise both a spy and a soldier)

those are my suggestions for the balance changes.
dont forget to breathe

[Wabungus]

You are wrong everywhere.
Everywhere.
Well, maybe besides YER change, but I don't know

[Dr. Poop]

I'd correct everything you said, but I don't feel like wasting the time

[pathulhu]

They explain why they made these changes and these changes are for good reason. It'll take some research on how competitive play works but you'll see.

Anyways if you're scared that top down balance is going to ruin pubs, dont, because anything goes in pubs and it's casual fun where people play with what weapons they want, be they good or bad.

[trash]

Originally posted by basilhs333:

first of all the Ambassador change is useless and it rewards or punishes spies for luck now- dont change it please.

it's not useless because it limits the effective range
it doesn't punish spies with rng because they shouldn't be going for or relying on shots outside of the effective range to begin with
first shot inaccuracy is a calculated balancing decision and not just rng
this is the least impactful nerf they could have done to limit the amby's range

Gloves of Running Urgently doesnt need a change at all.

the class with slow speed as his only downside having an item that can be used to negate some of his downside at nearly no cost is problematic

the rescue ranger is a good change but it hurts me a bit.

you'll manage
it's not like metal is scarce

the sandman doesnt need a change it is fine as it is. many people will argue with me cause you dont have the option to do anything but move a bit but i say this, you have a single ball ONLY not 10 and it recharges after 15 secs. i often get hit by it and i dont get frustrated and i often find a way to dogde it.

it's the fastest projectile in the game, and stun is a death sentence
you just spam it into a teamfight and if you hit somebody, it's a free kill for your team
it's not even enough to fix a mechanic that broken, but this change at least gives the person hit the ability to suppress attackers

Flying Guillotine now is useless, dont change it and nerf it to the ground pleeeeaaaseeee

it's getting buffed
the weapon has always had great use outside the stun combo and people who think otherwise are bad

the B.A.S.E Jumper needs one other mechanic which is you can only revome and redeploy the item only once.

isn't that what they're doing?

Lastly Your Eternal Reward needs a change but not remove entirely it's one challenge but instead i suggest doing something the youtuber after breakfast said which is when you do backstab someone you unlock the discuise of the player you killed.(you killed the soldier you can discuise any time you want as the solder but if you kill a spy after you can discuise both a spy and a soldier)

neat idea but a little overcomplicated

[Dr. Poop]

Originally posted by 0.4 hours past 2 weeks:

Originally posted by basilhs333:

first of all the Ambassador change is useless and it rewards or punishes spies for luck now- dont change it please.

it's not useless because it limits the effective range
it doesn't punish spies with rng because they shouldn't be going for or relying on shots outside of the effective range to begin with
first shot inaccuracy is a calculated balancing decision and not just rng
this is the least impactful nerf they could have done to limit the amby's range

Gloves of Running Urgently doesnt need a change at all.

the class with slow speed as his only downside having an item that can be used to negate some of his downside at nearly no cost is problematic

the rescue ranger is a good change but it hurts me a bit.

you'll manage
it's not like metal is scarce

the sandman doesnt need a change it is fine as it is. many people will argue with me cause you dont have the option to do anything but move a bit but i say this, you have a single ball ONLY not 10 and it recharges after 15 secs. i often get hit by it and i dont get frustrated and i often find a way to dogde it.

it's the fastest projectile in the game, and stun is a death sentence
you just spam it into a teamfight and if you hit somebody, it's a free kill for your team
it's not even enough to fix a mechanic that broken, but this change at least gives the person hit the ability to suppress attackers

Flying Guillotine now is useless, dont change it and nerf it to the ground pleeeeaaaseeee

it's getting buffed
the weapon has always had great use outside the stun combo and people who think otherwise are bad

the B.A.S.E Jumper needs one other mechanic which is you can only revome and redeploy the item only once.

isn't that what they're doing?

Lastly Your Eternal Reward needs a change but not remove entirely it's one challenge but instead i suggest doing something the youtuber after breakfast said which is when you do backstab someone you unlock the discuise of the player you killed.(you killed the soldier you can discuise any time you want as the solder but if you kill a spy after you can discuise both a spy and a soldier)

neat idea but a little overcomplicated

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What he said

[Galactic Yoshi]

What. Is. This.

[Dr. Poop]

Originally posted by Red Yoshi:

What. Is. This.

It looks like a Ludek post except it's sincere

[Harmless]

Originally posted by Totaraum:

I'd correct everything you said, but I don't feel like wasting the time

We already have 100 times

[Homura Did Nothing Wrong]

it's the fastest projectile in the game, and stun is a death sentence
you just spam it into a teamfight

>spam
>15 sec cd
yare yare daze

it's getting buffed
the weapon has always had great use outside the stun combo and people who think otherwise are bad

>removed mini crits and crits
>buffed
oh, nice buff.
Was good outside combo? 50+40 dot damage is good for projectile with cd? Y, you must be really stupid to dont use this ♥♥♥♥ instead shoot people with hitscan and get 100+ damage, lol.

it's not even enough to fix a mechanic that broken

So, why dont fix facestabs or any more broken mechanic?

[Ludek]

Honestly this is painful to read.

[trash]

Originally posted by Homura Did Nothing Wrong:

>spam
>15 sec cd
yare yare daze

yes, spam; blind fire; hail mary
it's not a consistent skill weapon and valve stated as much in the blogpost; you just fire it off into the enemy team hoping to get a lucky hit in order to get the most effectiveness out of it in higher level play

>removed mini crits and crits
>buffed
oh, nice buff.
Was good outside combo? 50+40 dot damage is good for projectile with cd?

yes, buffed
crossmapping people with the cleaver for minicrits was luck and ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ to be hit by
it has a 6 second cooldown and reducing it for midrange hits means you're bleeing people left and right

Y, you must be really stupid to dont use this♥♥♥♥♥♥instead shoot people with hitscan and get 100+ damage, lol.

you're not getting 100 damage hits at the range at which you use the cleaver
the scattergun isn't a weapon that you can spam at chokes for free bleeds

So, why dont fix facestabs or any more broken mechanic?

because you can't fix latency

[WallopingWooper]

Originally posted by Pathulhu:

They explain why they made these changes and these changes are for good reason. It'll take some research on how competitive play works but you'll see.

Anyways if you're scared that top down balance is going to ruin pubs, dont, because anything goes in pubs and it's casual fun where people play with what weapons they want, be they good or bad.

In pubs you can go around only using the hua long heater, buffalo steak sandvich and holiday punch and get work done.

[pathulhu]

Originally posted by Walloping Wooper:

Originally posted by Pathulhu:

They explain why they made these changes and these changes are for good reason. It'll take some research on how competitive play works but you'll see.

Anyways if you're scared that top down balance is going to ruin pubs, dont, because anything goes in pubs and it's casual fun where people play with what weapons they want, be they good or bad.

In pubs you can go around only using the hua long heater, buffalo steak sandvich and holiday punch and get work done.

I could play with Rocket Jumper, Bison and Disciplinary Action and still be beneficial to my team

[Dolce & Banana]

tl;dr "I wouldn't leave casual at gunpoint but this is how competitive should work"

[Mossy Snake]

Originally posted by Pathulhu:

Originally posted by Walloping Wooper:

In pubs you can go around only using the hua long heater, buffalo steak sandvich and holiday punch and get work done.

I could play with Rocket Jumper, Bison and Disciplinary Action and still be beneficial to my team

So you'd just be whipping people with the DA and using the Jumper to reach teammates faster?

Kinda sounds like a really crappy support class.