short circuit rework idea

[A kobold]

I love the short circuit, but even I am not blind to realize how OP it is against any class that uses projectiles. hell you can delete the crossbow bolts, huntsman arrows, dragons fury shots(buggy), rockets, pipes, stikys, scouts ball, scouts cleaver(hard as hell), and some times the♥♥♥♥♥♥jar(buggy).

its a bit OP against spies as well.

suggestion: remove the primary and make the secondary use a charge mechanic, the longer the charge the more metal it costs and damage it does but tapping no longer destroys projectiles.


tap: single 20 damage stun arc can not destroy projectiles (costs 10 metal nomater what)

hold: if charged for 3 seconds fires 5, 10 damage arcs that can destroy projectiles but comes at the cost of 45 metal instead of 10. (cheaper then spamming, and more damage but msut be timed well)

[A kobold]

guessing this is a bad idea then.

[Leah]

it's not op, a lot of this stuff listed is very hard to pull off or just meant to counter said class

[A kobold]

Originally posted by Leo:

it's not op, a lot of this stuff listed is very hard to pull off or just meant to counter said class

yeah but when I can sit infront of a dispenser and hard block 5 demomen its abit sad.

[Leah]

Originally posted by Warbrand2:

Originally posted by Leo:

it's not op, a lot of this stuff listed is very hard to pull off or just meant to counter said class

yeah but when I can sit infront of a dispenser and hard block 5 demomen its abit sad.

at most it can hard block 1 demoman for like 2 seconds because i'm pretty sure said projectile weapons fire faster, and either way they can just bait you or get a second person to force you in a sticky situation

[A kobold]

Originally posted by Leo:

Originally posted by Warbrand2:

yeah but when I can sit infront of a dispenser and hard block 5 demomen its abit sad.

at most it can hard block 1 demoman for like 2 seconds because i'm pretty sure said projectile weapons fire faster, and either way they can just bait you or get a second person to force you in a sticky situation

don't fall for baits. if I am holding a point I am holding a point. also that 5 demos wasn't a random number it is something I actually did.

[Leah]

Originally posted by Warbrand2:

Originally posted by Leo:

at most it can hard block 1 demoman for like 2 seconds because i'm pretty sure said projectile weapons fire faster, and either way they can just bait you or get a second person to force you in a sticky situation

don't fall for baits. if I am holding a point I am holding a point. also that 5 demos wasn't a random number it is something I actually did.

5 very stupid demomen then, one of them shooting at a different pace can just end your existance

[trash]

Originally posted by Leo:

it's not op

hurdur lets give the easiest class in the game that grinds pacing to a halt a way to shut down his two biggest counters and generally deny damage when there's already way too many ways to wall off pushes

maybe we should give spy fire immunity next

[A kobold]

Originally posted by winston from overwatch:

Originally posted by Leo:

it's not op

hurdur lets give the easiest class in the game that grinds pacing to a halt a way to shut down his two biggest counters and generally deny damage when there's already way too many ways to wall off pushes

maybe we should give spy fire immunity next

thats basicly what the short circuit does.

[Vilikis]

Originally posted by Warbrand2:

Originally posted by winston from overwatch:

hurdur lets give the easiest class in the game that grinds pacing to a halt a way to shut down his two biggest counters and generally deny damage when there's already way too many ways to wall off pushes

maybe we should give spy fire immunity next

thats basicly what the short circuit does.

All you really need to counter the short circuit is an ubercharge, which the sentry is already countered by, killing the Engineer before he's able to use it or while he's distracted using it (because you can't Spy-check and null projectiles) or heck, just put a sapper on his buildings while he's distracted and just shoot him because the SC sucks in direct combat. Or you could even send in two Soldiers or Demos to make it harder for him to delete the projectiles.

[Emurinus]

The Short Circuit's fine where it is. It's the Wrangler that's the biggest issue with Engy atm.

[A kobold]

Originally posted by Vilikis:

Originally posted by Warbrand2:

thats basicly what the short circuit does.

All you really need to counter the short circuit is an ubercharge, which the sentry is already countered by, killing the Engineer before he's able to use it or while he's distracted using it (because you can't Spy-check and null projectiles) or heck, just put a sapper on his buildings while he's distracted and just shoot him because the SC sucks ass in direct combat. Or you could even send in two Soldiers or Demos to make it harder for him to delete the projectiles.

SC is actually pretty good at taking out spies before the sapper can take out the sentry.

keep in mind ubers require a bit of co-op work with a team which is rare in pubs and valve comp. and a good engineer is pretty much tied with a good spy at countering each other.

all points are situational.

[A kobold]

Originally posted by NetherDragons:

The Short Circuit's fine where it is. It's the Wrangler that's the biggest issue with Engy atm.

agreed but both need some tweeks. the wrangler just needs its shoot speed and shield removed.

[Emurinus]

Originally posted by Warbrand2:

Originally posted by NetherDragons:

The Short Circuit's fine where it is. It's the Wrangler that's the biggest issue with Engy atm.

agreed but both need some tweeks. the wrangler just needs its shoot speed and shield removed.

Then it would be useless. The best way to balance the Wrangler is make the shield only tank 50% more damage isntead of 66% and you cannot heal it at all while it's being wrangled (or recovering).

[Vilikis]

Originally posted by Warbrand2:

SC is actually pretty good at taking out spies before the sapper can take out the sentry.

Sure, if you see the Spy coming and start zapping him first. But if he saps Engie's sentry first, then Spy has the advantage assuming the Engineer doesn't already have the stock shotty, FJ, PA, or Widowmaker ready to fire. And if he does try to use the SC thinking he can out-dps the Revolver, then he's an idiot and deserves to wait 15 seconds to respawn.

Originally posted by Warbrand2:

keep in mind ubers require a bit of co-op work with a team which is rare in pubs and valve comp. and a good engineer is pretty much tied with a good spy at countering each other.

Well, yeah. That's the nature of ubers, and the nature of Valve pubs. But regardless you need
team coordination to take out a well-placed sentry. And the lack of that coordination (especially in a pub where that can be impossible to achieve sometimes) doesn't make Engineer or the Short Circuit anywhere near overpowered. If you can't get that coordination going in a pub, then tough luck. It's on your entire team, not him or necessarily you.

[A kobold]

Originally posted by Vilikis:

Originally posted by Warbrand2:

SC is actually pretty good at taking out spies before the sapper can take out the sentry.

Sure, if you see the Spy coming and start zapping him first. But if he saps Engie's sentry first, then Spy has the advantage assuming the Engineer doesn't already have the stock shotty, FJ, PA, or Widowmaker ready to fire. And if he does try to use the SC thinking he can out-dps the Revolver, then he's an idiot and deserves to wait 15 seconds to respawn.

then I am an idiot that has killed way more spies then any engineer with the SC should. (seriously on 2fort I get atleast 2 per freaking life on most matches... which is sad)

its really freaking easy to see a spy comming you see a class headding for hte level 3 you zap them cause 9 times out of 10 it is a spy and they are stupid.