GShock Aug 7, 2014 @ 1:53am
Bad UI, poor design
It's a catastrophe, after that huge success with SOTS prime.
The game is still laggy the more you play it... there's got to be some memory leak somewhere and you must restart it go make it go smooth.

Not only that, the interface is so very poor you must organize fleets on a space of 5 cm. The AI is stupid, plays mostly defensive...

... and the last patch was over 6 months ago so I suppose the DEVs think the game is good as it is.

What a plunder...
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Aranador Aug 7, 2014 @ 6:35am 
The Devs will not get any money by fixing it, so they wont. The publishers lost money on it and have decided not to throw more money at it, so they wont fix it.

The game is as it is and it is going to stay that way. ♥♥♥♥♥ing about it will do nothing. Scraping together a few mil, buying the rights, and funding a patch, that would. But I guess you are not going to be doing that.


For what it is worth, I have played and enjoyed a ton of hours in this game. For all its flaws, faults, and problems, it is still a more interesting game than most others out there. Shame about the implementation, but thats how it is going to stay - and no amount of words, negative or positive, is going to make the money appear to fix it.
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Ryat Aug 7, 2014 @ 7:25am 
Yep, the UI and memory leak are annoying. Oh, and the DEVS don't think the game is done, the publishers do.
GShock Aug 7, 2014 @ 7:58am 
Do you think they'll release one more patch?
Goomich Aug 7, 2014 @ 10:12am 
Originally posted by Ryat:
Oh, and the DEVS don't think the game is done, the publishers do.

LOL

http://www.kerberos-productions.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=37&t=35604
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GShock Aug 7, 2014 @ 10:32am 
Jesus Christ...
amazing0 Aug 7, 2014 @ 7:45pm 
Originally posted by Aranador:
The Devs will not get any money by fixing it, so they wont. The publishers lost money on it and have decided not to throw more money at it, so they wont fix it.

The game is as it is and it is going to stay that way. ♥♥♥♥♥ing about it will do nothing. Scraping together a few mil, buying the rights, and funding a patch, that would. But I guess you are not going to be doing that.


For what it is worth, I have played and enjoyed a ton of hours in this game. For all its flaws, faults, and problems, it is still a more interesting game than most others out there. Shame about the implementation, but thats how it is going to stay - and no amount of words, negative or positive, is going to make the money appear to fix it.


so much for there promise to fix it... they should never have sold a broken product.. who cares if they dont have the money or time... they need to find a way.. the sold a broken product and have already been paid for there "work".. so they better get off there ♥♥♥ and do it.
Aranador Aug 7, 2014 @ 8:23pm 
The game works. It might not be all it could be, but it works. Calling something 'broken' when it isn't doesn't make your arguments seem rational or valid. The Devs did fix the product as per their promise. You want more than that - show them the money - It will take quite a bit.

Yes it sucks. I want this game to be more awesome too. But I am practical enough to realise that it is not going to happen without money.
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GShock Aug 8, 2014 @ 1:34am 
This is funny.
I've paid for the game 1 year before it was considered ready and got lost in bugs so that I had to drop it. Now you say that the game works... of course it works.

Any exe that gives no CTD is working. :-)

But look at the situation with the trade freighters and pirates. There's no way to catch them so you've got to simulate those battles. It doesn't matter how many police cruisers or defense turrets you add, they will keep coming... you'll never solve it... as long as you have trade freighters, wherever they are, the turn will be interrupted by a pointless battle that takes time even when it's simulated and it always ends the same so there's no point in doing it at all (even when simulated, it's the whole concept that's wrong.

That's poor design and never worked and it doesn't work even now speaking in the proper terms of what "working" *really* means.

Another impossibility is that UI. If you want to scuttle a ship, you've got to use that small area and you've got to open the fleet which works like a dropdown menu, in an area 5cm tall there's 20 ships, you must select them all one by one and then hit the trashbin icon one by one. The area is further reduced by the confirmation question... the UI is a NIGHTMARE under all aspects.

The AI can't keep up either... you can never have a real diplomatic relation with them... they're at war with you and they ask you for system info, why should you give it to them? And it's so bad it was conceived with cheating in mind... in regards with colonization limits and economy.

To be honest I know we're all disappointed but this is really a reap-off. It's truly stealing...

... after I spent 3 months reporting bugs and having one CTD after the other, I asked for the refund and I wasn't given one... they said "accumulated too much playing time". PLAYING!?!?!?!!?

Total robbery that cast a huge shadow on Steam... no shadows on Kerberos they are completely DEAD to me, whatever game they'll ever produce.




i am a waste (land 2) Aug 8, 2014 @ 1:35am 
Pretty sure that you can prevent pirate raids entirely with a naval base, 5 cutters and set the system to closed.
GShock Aug 8, 2014 @ 1:37am 
Not interested anymore, Boyheat.
The way it was done, you had to study forums after each patch and we've had dozens if not hundreds of patches that changed mechanics without warning. In my world you buy a product and have a manual, you're not supposed to spend half of your life on the forums asking how something works because of poor UI, poor design and poor manual.

Besides... those forums are full of trolls. Kerberos sucks even at moderating a simple tech forum.
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12_monkeys Aug 8, 2014 @ 2:26am 
Yeah the game sucks and would be great if they "finished" it, but as Arandador says its not going to change and thats been the conclusion for the better part of a year. I was there at launch, and it wasn't even a game. Now its more of a sandbox with only 3 spades instead of the 5 it should have. I want the game finished, i've raged about it in forums there and here... but i'm hoarse now and realise the game is "finished" as are the devs, they've been abandoned by the publisher (rightly or wrongly, its a fact) and unless someone is going to pay them out of their own pocket, then this is what we have. (Its still better/more complete than X:Rebirth and they're still charging stupid money for that!)
bluetemplar85 Aug 8, 2014 @ 10:39am 
To be honest I know we're all disappointed but this is really a reap-off. It's truly stealing...
I don't get why we are still having comments like that.

As for disappointment, I totally get it.

But as for "stealing" and "rip-off", this is completely undeserved.
Anyone who got the game early had ample opportunity to get a refund.
Anyone who got the game later and is disappointed can either blame themselves for not evaluating correctly whether the game is worth their money, or Steam for not respecting basic consumer rights like allowing for limited time refunds regardless of reason. (while video game sellers like GoG do it)
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Aranador Aug 8, 2014 @ 8:17pm 
The fact that they also gave away for free all their planned DLC and the expansion. Thats right - they had a chance to earn back some monies, but instead left that in your pocket. Seriously, other than giving you their children, they've given everything they had.

I agree that Steam's refund system is crap though. There should be an iron-clad ability to just click refund on any game you have had for less than 24 hrs or what ever - no intervention required you just click it and it is done.
GShock Aug 8, 2014 @ 11:10pm 
Well, let's put Kerberos behind this, they were not responsible for the launch as they themselves as DEV house knew a bad launch would affect them primarily so they were pulled into releasing that alpha at early stage... probably as victims as we, players, were.

The fact is that you are given a choice to stick with an incomplete game, cross the fingers and hope it turns out to be good OR take the refund.

Me I had hoped Kerberos would make up for it, considering SOTS Prime is a winner, but I was wrong. They've put too much stuff (the new fleet system, the admirals, the new building/prototype system, the way stations work, the diplomacy options, etc. etc.) in the new game and could not develop it completely so, in the end, those of us who sticked to the end and reported bugs, gave feedback and all, took a path that prevented them from getting the refund, helped the DEVs but, in the end, lost their bet.

The idea is: take the refund now or take your risk on the end-product and forsake the refund.

The problem is that someone there decided what we have now is the end-product but this is not an end product since there's a passive AI, a load of features not working and a memory leak that makes the game sluggish.

Really I think the reap-off was at the very launch.
I learned back then (and so far it's worked for me) that you must NEVER buy a game without really checking DEEP into the forums first, looking for the users' opinions.

I'm not sure Kerberos will survive after this plunder though. Since I don't think Kerberos is actually the one who screwed us, I am sorry if they don't.

rosariodoamaral Aug 9, 2014 @ 6:43am 
Originally posted by GShock:
Besides... those forums are full of trolls. Kerberos sucks even at moderating a simple tech forum.

I believe the word you are looking for is "rabid fanboys" instead of "trolls".
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