Cheater/glitcher/hacker?

[AlchemicalSolution]

Hi,

I've got a suspicion about a player cheating, anyone know of a way to confirm?

It's 'JJ' previously known as 'Pollyphonic' and 'Captain Cavey'

I've played him over and over again, and I've found it impossible to replicate his build and more importantly the way he can combine early economy with mid game versatility in research.

He always alt+f4s so replays never work, but I've been told by his teammates what his build is, I've replicated it and I can't match what he does. I'm no slouch, I know what I'm doing but I can't replicate what he does.

For the record, I play with people who are straight up better than me all the time, but when they beat me I can understand what they've done differently and it always comes down to either a smart tactical counter or better micro (microing air+land on small or mid sized maps for example)

With this guy, he just straight up outbuilds me and everyone else in every game I've played with him.

He isn't build glitching, I think he may have some research unlocked but I don't think all research, I'm not sure. If anyone knows of a sure fire way to test it please let me know, and keep an eye out for this guy, and if you find yourself on his team please watch and see if you catch him at it.

----DISCLAIMER----

If you can't help with the above, please don't respond, this isn't a thread about how good or bad I am at SC2, if you want to have that conversation hit me up and we'll have a game. If you aren't willing to take my word for what I say I've seen and my suspicions about this guy or if you don't have anything to contribute on what I'm asking about, please save us both the time and don't respond.

Regards

Alch

[Oblivion]

What is the build?
What faction does he play?
Does he always play the same faction?

There are a ton of ways of building your base differently and depending on faction, also 'i cant match what he does' is pretty subjective in terms of skill, knowledge and motor reflexes.

[AlchemicalSolution]

As I said I've never been able to view an unbugged replay, but I've been told what the build is and I've tried it plus numerous variations;

4 starting mass
3 res
lines of energy until mc, then mc until either tank spam or UC with Space Temple (tanks for earlier teleport, he switches between the two)

He almost always plays Aeon, sometimes does Cybran. Always Seton's land only.

I played him again last night and he was Cybran. I'm now absolutely certain he's cheating. We both went Cybran, Seton's Clutch, spot closest to the bridge with one teammate each.

We both went straight to Megaliths (he didn't do cheap/fast build, I could tell because our starting scores were nearly identical)

He sent his first Mega to me, across bridge, which is about 15-25 seconds walk time and he got there just after my first mega was built (with teammate ACU build assist) and they fought, with my ACU constantly repairing my Mega, which had a tiny sliver of health left at the end of the fight. I starting shooting first since I had dotted some energy around the bridge as a distraction for this very reason (I had 1 star in land, so he must have had minimum one star in land probably 2, since I was healing and only just killed him)

So, I've killed his mega, I reclaim it, keep building megas, a bit of time passes and I move forward with my assumed numerical advantage (we were in non-dlc so no Cics) and it's only because I catch him without his Megas fully gathered together that I was able to win the first big fight of the game. I lost 2 and killed either 4 or 5 (obviously the replay is ♥♥♥♥♥♥ so I'm going by memory)

Now I've got radar and I can see how many Megas and Gantries he's built. He's still got about the same number as me and I've killed at least 5 more than him. It was Seton's 2v2 and I took half the spare mass, he took a bit more which is suspect in itself; if he took that much extra early economy how did he produce his first mega faster than me? But let's say fine, he eco'd better than me and that's how he kept up with megas.

Here's the kicker: my teammate was going straight to Magnetrons, nothing else (we were 2 Cybran vs him and an Aeon so we had to push hard) And my teammate had placed maybe 2 Magnets, and he'd said he had no mass, was waiting for mass for more Magnets. I was also hovering under 500 Mass as my eco turned out Megas at the same rate as JJ.

Then JJ out of nowhere starts building Magnetrons. He has one finished and is building a 2nd on the bridge when I push, fortunately I have enough Megas to knock it out as a single Magnet can't push continously. My partner pulls his ACU with his Magnets and we kill him (it was assassination)

Now this was me doing pro level pure Megaliths and my partner, Squirrel, who's pro, doing straight Magnetrons, and JJ manages to keep pace with my Megas (he lost the Megas fight basically because of the first ACU-heal fight) and simoultaneously get the research and mass to build 2 Magnetrons at early-mid game. I think even with all the killing I did I still had stars left to get in land.

I tried to make sure I'd qualified the post enough to avoid the response about skill and motor reflexes.

There's a hard limit to what's achievable when you start with 1600 mass. I've played the game long enough that I think my suspicions about this guy are well founded and not just build envy.

Basically if you read the OP, you can see that I'm looking for help on whether there are cast-iron methods to identify coding/cheating/glitching and what can be done with those. I know about the research hack but I don't know if it can provide anything other than all research at start, which he definitely doesn't have due to health on start buildings and no ACU shield. I think he may be using a mass/energy cheat and building his economy to make it look legit. He isn't copy-build-glitching.

----DISCLAIMER----

If you can't help with the above, please don't respond, this isn't a thread about how good or bad I am at SC2, if you want to have that conversation hit me up and we'll have a game. If you aren't willing to take my word for what I say I've seen and my suspicions about this guy or if you don't have anything to contribute on what I'm asking about, please save us both the time and don't respond.

Alch.

[Zesc]

Okay, you're not responding to my chat message, so i post here:

Can you take screenshots from the final score-board, i mean all pages like Ressources/Research/etc. ? It is kinda easy to identifiy cheaters via those scores.

The only other known kind of cheating i know except for the research hack is a kinda very nasty way of making your units invincible, meaning they will still fight with 0 HP.
You manipulate the UnitBlueprints.lua to add a ability used for some units the games gives you in the tutorial to make them invincible, althought i think this does not work with the DLC/patch 1.260.

All i can tell you now, and now i don't bother you "until i am ready for 1v1ing you"

[/AA\ This Is Halloween]

Technically, the cheat research allow you to buy your research without spending the points, so you can research mega with 1rs points or 12, but at the end it would cost to you 0 rs points.
The mass and energy cheat work the same way, units and building cost you nothing. After that it's fairly easy to make it look like a possible build if you're good, like Commnader Z who regularly cheat. Slow frog made a video on his channel where you can see him cheating in a game, and he explains why his build is impossible (2 rs, 2 land factory, 2 energy, all the mass and the factory producing without stoping) . He demonstrated that even with the build cost and time reduction with cybran, it was impossible (the time doesn't fit cause you can see commander Z constructing at the normal speed, slow frog calculated it in the replay).

For this guy, we also suspected him from cheating (doing 3 rs and 2 exp factory with ac-1000 terror and as much air factory as me in mid-game while I didn't lost any mass nor had energy problem....).

But it's hard to spot ressources cheat in mid-game (almost impossible). For research, slow frog found a tool which allow you to see the research everyplayer of a replay, so you can calculate how many points he spent, and considering 1 com produce 0.6 rs points, 1 rs 0.75 points and you start with 5 points, you can calculate if the guy cheat or not.

PS: for rs, if there's a lot of fight had some more points to your opponent who can win them by fighting, the first 5 are the easier to get.

PS: watch slow frog videos about cheater, 1 on tourney dome, 1 on open palms, the other one on boolon complex. He wrote in the descriptions of the videos what tools he's using.

His channel: Supreme Commander 2 Gameplay