What does this game have that Ark hasnt?

[Xistance]

I find myself often looking at games on the store page and thinking 'whats the point'. Yeah its nice to have a good variety of games in each genre and its always cool to explore a new world. I think however that when you have games like Ark survival evolved and its ilk that are basically finished games with breath taking amounts of content in them, then whats teh need for this game?

I watched the trailers and I didnt see anything new or revolutionary about this game, nothing that made me think 'wow this is worth supporting'. Seems to me so far, from what I've seen about this game (trailers/reviews) thst the company wants investment to eventually make what we already have better of and in abundance.

If I'm wrong about this then please explain to me why and how this game will be pushing the boundrys, because at the moment its looking like a dime a dozen sandbox mmo.

[neillana]

I personally do not like Ark at all, especially when it comes to fights & war. I prefer a peacefull atmosphere and I do not want to tame dinosaus, that is why I chose this game and not Ark. It's a matter of personal preferences I guess.

[...👑 JOST AMMAN 👑...]

The real question is:
WHY DO ARK PLAYERS ALWAYS COME HERE AND THROW $HIT ON THIS GAME??

I mean, if you don't like 7DTD and like Ark instead go play there. Problem solved.
Peace.

[Hatsune Neko Gaming]

if you're questioning the game that much
then its most likely not for you. NI is its own world with its own features and still very much in the early stages of development.

I play ark and 7D2D, and when NI gets female models i'll be adding a bit more play time to it. mostly because i like the crafting/building system.

NI is more like LIF:YO and i enjoy that game immensely.

[Xistance]

Originally posted by Jost Amman:

The real question is:
WHY DO ARK PLAYERS ALWAYS COME HERE AND THROW $HIT ON THIS GAME??

I mean, if you don't like 7DTD and like Ark instead go play there. Problem solved.
Peace.

I'm not 'throwing ♥♥♥♥' at the game per say. My question simply is what is the point? I'm all for new sandbox games (I LOVE sandbox games). My statement simply points to the innovation or lack thereof. If this game had some innovation that further raised the bar of sandbox games to a new standard, then I'm all for it. Its just that I cant see any point of a company making yet another sandbox survival game with nothing new.

If you were going to but a car and you could get a next gen car with all the gizmos for the same price as a car which was teh same but outdated, then common sense says you would buy value and innovation. In no other industry other than the games industry, can a producer not really add further value and still sell their product.

Persinally I love games and I always have. To me Ark and games like it represent huge leaps forward in the genre, in terms of contenty, playability and innovation. I'd love to see companys taking a more progressive and innovative stance to games development like wildcard has.

[...👑 JOST AMMAN 👑...]

Ark is not a Voxel game, everything is just pretty graphics you can't destroy and/or rebuild piece by piece as far as I know. 7DTD is.

Ark is not Zombie/Apocalypse themed. 7DTD is.

Ark is not built for a single player experience. 7DTD is.

I just gave you at least three reasons why people could like more one instead of the other and find something different from Ark in 7DTD. I could find more...

[Xistance]

Originally posted by Jost Amman:

Ark is not a Voxel game, everything is just pretty graphics you can't destroy and/or rebuild piece by piece as far as I know. 7DTD is. TRUEISH: you can build structures in ark and place all kinds of stuff/defences in and around them. The structure building aspect in ark is really really fleshed out. Terrain is not destrooyable though, this is correct

Ark is not Zombie/Apocalypse themed. 7DTD is. TRUE, however does in need to be.. ark has a much larger variety of more interesting, opponents

Ark is not built for a single player experience. 7DTD is. NOT TRUE Ark has a stand alone single player mode which is absolutely fantasticand can be configured according to the amount of time at hand, or for a tougher or much easier experience. Even better if you do start a single player game, if you want, at any time you can invite your friends in to take a look if you so wish.

I just gave you at least three reasons why people could like more one instead of the other and find something different from Ark in 7DTD. I could find more...

[UltraPulse]

Well, I think the question is valid in itself, however, the answer cannot be found with other people, since they have their own tastes and opinions.

All you can do is watch some video's and gameplay and see if it draws you in enough to invest.

[Fletcher]

Originally posted by Xistance:

TRUEISH

No it is true. 7DTD is voxel and Ark is not. Simple fact.

[Xistance]

yeah its not a voxel game because if it was it wouldnt run, which is why 7DTD has terrible graphics and bare bones functionality. Also 7DTD, all the mechanics are done client side and teh server just trusts that the information being sent to it is accurate. This is the case because voxel games put huge amounts of stress on a server so its really the only option. Ark functions in a different way, hence some of its past optomisation difficultys. When you fire a shot in ark, the server does not trust you client. In Ark teh server works out your shot, whats in the way etc amd then you get the resulting effect.

Due to this mechanic Ark has managed to evade the main pitfall which to date has killed most sandbox mmos. Every voxel based mmo that I have ever played just degenerated into a hack fest of people flying everywere and shooting through buildings. Even most none voxel based mmos have suffered from this issue.... remember Rust (legacy) ?

[Odanrot]

i think the main point of the OP's question is, why should one buy this game over say ark or conan ,i personaly would like to know ,what does this game have or do that is diffrent ,and the best place to ask is here where tehre are actually players that can give us a idea of what to expect ,this pitures and vids look really good but at teh same time just as the OP ask's, what is the point ,are there any actual objectives ,any goals other then just build ,is there a story

Originally posted by SmileOnSpeedDial:

Originally posted by Xistance:

TRUEISH

No it is true. 7DTD is voxel and Ark is not. Simple fact.

how did the fact that 7dtd is voxel even come up? or even matter ,Xist is asking a simple question and was then attacked as a ark player trying to throw ♥♥♥♥ at the game

[...👑 JOST AMMAN 👑...]

Originally posted by jamews69:

i think the main point of the OP's question is, why should one buy this game over say ark or conan ,i personaly would like to know ,what does this game have or do that is diffrent ,and the best place to ask is here where tehre are actually players that can give us a idea of what to expect ,this pitures and vids look really good but at teh same time just as the OP ask's, what is the point ,are there any actual objectives ,any goals other then just build ,is there a story

Originally posted by SmileOnSpeedDial:

No it is true. 7DTD is voxel and Ark is not. Simple fact.

how did the fact that 7dtd is voxel even come up? or even matter ,Xist is asking a simple question and was then attacked as a ark player trying to throw ♥♥♥♥ at the game

Voxel means it's completely destructible hence you can even tunnel underground and build bases there, or mine, or explore caves, or just terraform the ground to shape it to your needs... so it surely matters since it adds a lot to gameplay.

As said before by people who own both games Ark and 7DTD are two very different games.
But everything about games has been already invented by chess, so why buy other games?
I know right?

[Kraft51]

Originally posted by Jost Amman:

Voxel means it's completely destructible hence you can even tunnel underground and build bases there, or mine, or explore caves, or just terraform the ground to shape it to your needs... so it surely matters since it adds a lot to gameplay.

how incorrect you are my friend,

voxel -(in computer-based modeling or graphic simulation) each of an array of elements of volume that constitute a notional three-dimensional space, especially each of an array of discrete elements into which a representation of a three-dimensional object is divided.

in the case of most sandbox game voxels are represented as a cube (Minecraft and its many counterparts) or more recently games such as 7DTD also use a sphereical voxel for terrain.

now back to the OP's question. i agree wholeheartedly with you, now my first few sessions i immediately noticed the stats attatched to nearly every item in the game (even crafting stations) and you and combine different items to achieve different uses for a tool/weapon/gear. you can even give stat buffs to the building elements in the game.

what this game does differently is it truely gives you more versatility in HOW you play your game. you can spend the endless amounts of time grinding mats and crafting gear so you can attain a better quality item (this includes ALL crafted items) that has a multiplyer attached to each Tier.

then we have the anomolies, which are essentially instances that spawn around the playable world. they do need a lot of care and attention from the Devs but thats just part of the process.
adding to that theres also Points of Interest such as a cabin with a well and withered crops, each POI has a "mini quest" thats confined to just that POI. things like the Tower POI you have to cut down the 6 or 8 bushes at the bottom in order to gain access to the Shop Terminal to sell any unwanted items, and the cabin with the crops mini quest is to water all the crops to health.

these are only a few of the features this game currently has, and theres so much more planned to be implemented. honestly if the game doesn't quite grab you just yet, wait a little while and check back occasionally, maybe theres something else that gets added that will :)

[...👑 JOST AMMAN 👑...]

Originally posted by Kraft51:

Originally posted by Jost Amman:

Voxel means it's completely destructible hence you can even tunnel underground and build bases there, or mine, or explore caves, or just terraform the ground to shape it to your needs... so it surely matters since it adds a lot to gameplay.

how incorrect you are my friend,

voxel -(in computer-based modeling or graphic simulation) each of an array of elements of volume that constitute a notional three-dimensional space, especially each of an array of discrete elements into which a representation of a three-dimensional object is divided.

in the case of most sandbox game voxels are represented as a cube (Minecraft and its many counterparts) or more recently games such as 7DTD also use a sphereical voxel for terrain.

Yes, you're technically correct, but concede me the fact that in the common jargon of this forum by saying "voxel" we also imply "destructible" since 7DTD world idea originated from Minecraft.

Also the majority of games out there with non-destructible ground don't use Voxels to represent the world surface because it would probably just be a waste of your computer's resources while looking much uglier in the process.

[Kraft51]

lol i'm not technically correct, that is EXACTLY what a voxel is. whether it be destructible or not. voxels are not only used as a terrain element, again in MC voxels are represented as cubes and everything in the game (aside from gear and a few other items) is a cube that can be manipulated in some way. same in 7DTD, except instead of cubes they use spherical voxels, most likely a complex polyhedron like a dodecahedron.

Minecraft did not do it first fyi, it was actually a game called Infiniminer that Notch stole the idea from (he openly admitted this a very long time ago, around the time he sold it to MS)

[...👑 JOST AMMAN 👑...]

Originally posted by Kraft51:

lol i'm not technically correct, that is EXACTLY what a voxel is. whether it be destructible or not. voxels are not only used as a terrain element, again in MC voxels are represented as cubes and everything in the game (aside from gear and a few other items) is a cube that can be manipulated in some way. same in 7DTD, except instead of cubes they use spherical voxels, most likely a complex polyhedron like a dodecahedron.

Minecraft did not do it first fyi, it was actually a game called Infiniminer that Notch stole the idea from (he openly admitted this a very long time ago, around the time he sold it to MS)

You either didn't read what I said or you just ignored it.

Anyway that doesn't change a thing about what I said before on the differences between Ark and 7DTD and that is one difference that counts for me. The rest is just petty talk.