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bunnymoon Dec 31, 2013 @ 8:44am
If you are getting Fallout get it now.
It has been pulled from GOG.com Likely It is going to be pulled from Steam by end of 2013.

http://www.pcgamer.com/2012/01/10/bethesda-interplay-settlement-official-bethesda-gains-full-fallout-mmo-rights/
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Corrandk Dec 31, 2013 @ 10:44am 
Unless there is a link someone can post stating otherwise, I believe the original Fallout games are staying on Steam despite being pulled from GOG. The reason? Steam provides them with online DRM. Also, Bethesda has many sales/distribution deals with Valve already in place, which isn't the case with GOG to my knowledge. If someone knows otherwise please post the link, I would be interested to read that and the reasoning behind the decision....because that would indeed suck.
bunnymoon Dec 31, 2013 @ 10:51am 
IP is owned by Bethesda. Game is Fallout 1,2 and tactics are owned by Interplay.
Will of a Templar is stronger! Dec 31, 2013 @ 11:08am 
When you mean pulled from Steam, I assume you mean for sale. If you own it, they will likely leave it in your library. The only game they have ever pulled from libraries too was Order of War: Challenge.

http://www.forbes.com/sites/erikkain/2013/12/30/steam-removes-game-order-of-war-challenge-from-user-libraries/
bunnymoon Dec 31, 2013 @ 11:15am 
of course I meant for sale. Its unlikely steam would pull a licensed game from your library.
Corrandk Dec 31, 2013 @ 1:02pm 
Originally posted by bunnymoon:
IP is owned by Bethesda. Game is Fallout 1,2 and tactics are owned by Interplay.

Not after midnight tonight. Or am I misunderstanding the settlement?
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ein Dec 31, 2013 @ 1:38pm 
If you think Bethesda's going to let Interplay make a dime off something they now own, I've got a copy of Wolfenstein I'd like to sell you. Wait, scratch that, I mean I'll never have a copy of Wolfenstein, and if I did it would be priceless.

The one thing that might make things different here is Bethesda's relationship with Obsidian.

Originally posted by Corrandk:
Originally posted by bunnymoon:
IP is owned by Bethesda. Game is Fallout 1,2 and tactics are owned by Interplay.

Not after midnight tonight. Or am I misunderstanding the settlement?

What about the settlement makes you think Bethesda has received the rights to the games themselves? Do you think they are getting source code, the rights to the art assets and music, and that all the contracts attached to these games are being transfered to them?
bunnymoon Dec 31, 2013 @ 2:15pm 
Its kind of like Donkey Kong Country being pulled from the wii virtual console store.
It was developed by rare and published nintendo. even though nintendo owns the IP for donkey kong, it still needs to deal with the developer of the game, who are currently owned by Microsoft. Which is never going to happen.
Corrandk Dec 31, 2013 @ 4:31pm 
Gotcha. Doesn't change my opinion on whether FO 1/2/Tactics stay on Steam or not. Bethesda has no reasonable/rational/monetary reason to pull it. But than again, this industry does things I don't fully grasp on a daily basis. *shrug*

bunnymoon Dec 31, 2013 @ 4:51pm 
You keep saying Bethesda. Bethesda doesn't own Fallout 1,2 or Tactics. Interplay does. They are the publisher and developer. Either way we will find out tommorow.
Corrandk Dec 31, 2013 @ 4:58pm 
I keep saying it because they own the IP. They own the distribution rights to anything with the Fallout name on it after December 2013 according to the settlement. That means that if Interplay wants to keep distributing the older titles they can, but they have to work a deal with Bethesda. Up until midnight tonight Interplay could distribute however they wanted to. Again, I could be wrong...but that is what the link says in the OP and it is what multiple people have alluded to in other threads. If someone can point me to something that says differently (and isn't an opinion but rather based in fact) I am game to read it.

My opinion, based on all of that, is that while Bethesda would not allow Interplay to use GOG to keep selling DRM free versions of the older titles, they will make a deal with Steam. Easy money, less hastle from the fan base.
Anamon Dec 31, 2013 @ 6:34pm 
I don't think there's anyone you could consider part of that fan base who doesn't own the games by now. The people who would cry foul at them being removed from sale altogether would not have been the same people interested in buying them. For whatever that changes about things—probably nothing.

Anyway, the sale the games are currently on lasts for long into the new year, so it seems unlikely they'll be removed, at least not at midnight anywhere in the world.

Bethesda doesn't need Interplay to sell these games anymore, and given the chance to sublicense them and leave Interplay a piece of the pie, or simply distributing them themselves, I think the latter is far more likely. This doesn't imply any code or asset materials are changing hands, often enough not even the original developers manage to keep those around that long. It's why GOG sometimes has so much trouble adapting games to run on newer systems. The source code has simply been lost over the years. Let alone the fact that trying to compile that 15-year-old source code today would probably achieve nothing apart from giving you a major headache.

Why Bethesda would strike a distribution deal with Steam but not GOG I wouldn't understand. In this day and age, a publisher would have to be mind-bogglingly thick to still shy away from DRM-free distribution—especially for games as vintage as these. But as you said, many of the companies in this industry are controlled utter ♥♥♥♥♥s with not the faintest understanding of videogames and technology, so I guess anything's possible.
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Corrandk Jan 1 @ 9:47am 
Well, Happy New Year all! :) We have our answer: You can still get all three games as a collection so Valve must have worked out a deal with Bethesda ahead of time so they could continue to sell them. For those hoping for DRM free, I guess you have to hope that GOG does the same eventually. Either GOG missed some sort of deadline to get a deal finalized or Bethesda is consciously not willing to sell these older titles digitally without some sort of DRM. As a side note, Deadpool has disapeared from many digital distributors; including Steam, XBL, and PSN. Was that game so bad or is there some known reason for this?
bunnymoon Jan 1 @ 10:27am 
well I guess I wrong.
ein Jan 1 @ 2:11pm 
If Bethesda didn't have something against GOG, we would be able to buy Daggerfall. My guess is they just don't think it makes sense to help market the next Witcher game. That probably has something to do with Wolfenstein as well. It might be the nice thing to do and they might even want to do it, but it doesn't make sense to help Activision give everyone at Raven a raise, when they would much rather those people slowly migrate id or Arkane. And after Ghosts, I bet that's starting to happen.

Weren't we supposed to get an Elder Scrolls Collection on Steam a few months ago with all five games? Or maybe just the first four. I remember the price was about $80. What happened with that?
Corrandk Jan 1 @ 2:43pm 
Originally posted by bunnymoon:
well I guess I wrong.

Or maybe not....https://twitter.com/DCDeacon/status/418411348851040256
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