Das Schryvman 1月8日 15時43分
Americans vs Germans
So was just thinking if, and when we'll ever have the americans vs the germans. I haven't heard anything about it happening, but it has to, right???....
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Moskeeto 1月8日 15時45分 
It would probably take a long while until we see anything, but I think it's inevitable at least from the modding community.
Fanda Nyamo 1月8日 15時53分 
Moskeeto の投稿を引用:
It would probably take a long while until we see anything, but I think it's inevitable at least from the modding community.
Well, the ground material is there. Both sides' weapons are inserted into the game. We just need some maps, new tanks, a few new gameplay stuff, and some new voice lines, so the Germans don't call the Americans for Ivan and Tojo the other way around.
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Moskeeto 1月8日 15時55分 
The main problem is the late-war German weapons not in the game such as the STG44, MG42, and the G43. Though I wouldn't mind if someone were to mod the game to use the current German weapons as placeholders in the meantime.
Fanda Nyamo 1月8日 16時01分 
Moskeeto の投稿を引用:
The main problem is the late-war German weapons not in the game such as the STG44, MG42, and the G43. Though I wouldn't mind if someone were to mod the game to use the current German weapons as placeholders in the meantime.
Isn't the MKb pretty much the same thing as the STG? Except for the Sight.
Cat Branchman 1月8日 16時47分 
Right now I think the germans would be at a slight disadvantage against the americans because they don't have the special abilities that the japanese have, but I would still love to see some german vs US maps, they could even curb the american advantage with map design (D-day?)
Moskeeto 1月8日 16時51分 
Yoman5510 の投稿を引用:
Right now I think the germans would be at a slight disadvantage against the americans because they don't have the special abilities that the japanese have
But they have plenty more automatic weapons along with semi-automatics.
Praxius 1月8日 17時01分 
Fanda Nyamo の投稿を引用:
Isn't the MKb pretty much the same thing as the STG? Except for the Sight.

Technically no.... the STG44 was made based on a number of improvements of the MKB42, such as accuracy/recoil, etc..... both also look different from one another, mostly in the barrel area.

But technical crap aside, you could say they're pretty much the same... they're both assault rifles and look somewhat similar to one another. But calling the MKB42h the same as the STG44 is like saying the STG44 is the same as the AK47. They're all a part of the same family and based off of one another, but have various differences.

Moskeeto の投稿を引用:
But they have plenty more automatic weapons along with semi-automatics.

And the MG34.... belt feed

But I can certainly wait for a US vs German matchup.... I'd like to see British/Commonwealth vs. German. I want to use a Bren, Sten and Lee Enfield.... toss a PIAT in there for good measure.
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Das Schryvman 1月8日 17時41分 
I think we can all agree that there is massive potential with what TI can do with these assets, I just don't have the patience needed to wait =p . And god yes, if USA Vs Germans ever does happen, there better be a D-Day map, or we riot.
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EG14_Phobic 1月8日 17時55分 
I have no proof other than marketing logic, but the western front will be their next major release. Having 3 titles will enable them to sell several different products without affecting production costs or having to actually produce anything more than a single new title. Additionally, the players sort of expect it in a way. It would round off RO2 nicely, covering all major theaters of war as well as adding the western front to the Red Orchestra series. If they decide (or decided...they had to have had a meeting about it long ago), to not release a western front expansion for RO2, it was never promised or advertised so nobody would really be all that upset about it. I could see them going either way, but the financially conservative move is to release a western front expansion.

I really hope they do, but by the time they got it out there would actually be some competition on the market. Festung Europa and that other WWII tactical shooter i keep forgetting the name of...they'll be releasing by the end of this year.
Das Schryvman 1月8日 19時06分 
Oh, geez, never heard of Festung Europa....looks amazing though
Praxius 1月8日 20時06分 
The one thing I noticed with TW's WWII shooters is that they at least attempt to try and focus on battles and factions not over-used in the market.... Eastern Front, Pacific Theatre.

Yes, CoD and MoH have had a dabble in the Pacific Front, but still the Pacific Front is not as over saturated as the Western Front US vs. Germans.

If TW ever decides to make a new RO game outside of the Eastern Front and Pacific Front, it would either be towards Africa.... or if they do go for the Western Front, it'd most likely focus on other Allies other than the US.... just for the sake of being different and tapping into a part of the market not done by everybody else or at least not done to death by everybody else.

A Western Front US vs. German game would interest me as much as Rising Storm interests me.... which is very very little. If I want that kind of game, there's multiple Medal of Honour, Call of Duty, Battlefield, Brothers in Arms, Day of Defeat games for those.

What I like about RO is that it's not the same US weapons or the same "Storm the Beech" maps over and over again. I wanted new weapons, new sounds, new scenarios, different voices, different atmospheres... different attitudes.... but mostly different weapons.

In most of the other mentioned games, yes the Germans are in all of them, which is to be expected considering it's WWII and they played a bit of a part in the whole situation, but in most of those games, they're kind of secondary as they're the "Bad Guys" so there's no story line for playing as Germans, and they're overall a bit limited in exposure. In RO, they're portrayed in an equal fashion to the Soviets.

Regarding different weapons, when RO Combined Arms came out, I knew very little about the Soviet side of the war.... everything was all Western Front US vs. the Germans...... When I first got into the game I saw these strange looking weapons.... a PPD40 & PPSH41 that looked like stumpy Tommy Guns, yet spewed bullets like mad. This DP28 Machine Gun with a pan on the top.... It looked like I'd die in two seconds trying to use this odd looking thing, but was a beast. I felt so out of place and I actually liked it.

It's also why I want a British/Canadian/Australian style WWII shooter. I grew up with a father who collected WWII stuff and had a Bren Gun, a Lee Enfield and a Sten MKII in the basement with the rest of his collection. Even though they were weapons my nation used in the war, due to my over exposure to WWII from a US perspective (Movies, Games, Etc.) these weapons seemed foreign to me.

Darkest Hour had these weapons, but they were done so damn horribly I kind of felt insulted even trying to use them or play the game and most servers just played US vs. Germans anyways (perhaps because the Commonwealth weapons were so bad to use in-game)

As for Call of Duty's version of those weapons? Meh.... kind of lame as well.

If TW got their hands on those weapons and brought them into the game with their talents in detail and function, that game would be all that I played.

Yes there's a large US market for a US focused WWII shooter.... but with a British/Australian/Canadian focused WWII Shooter, you'd have an expanded interest of three nations +, rather than one nation +
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[RMC]Mjr VIK 1月16日 5時05分 
dont forget us britts we where fighting the germans before th eyanks even got a sniff of the war for what 3 years into it? and long before the rusian campaign,,,,,,
Ace42 1月16日 5時11分 
RMCMjr VIK の投稿を引用:
dont forget us britts we where fighting the germans before th eyanks even got a sniff of the war for what 3 years into it? and long before the rusian campaign,,,,,,

Yes, but "the phony war" as it was known wasn't particularly notable for anything other than chaotic ill-managed retreat to Dunkirk.

Africa would be do-able; but completely changing the feel of RO into desert-warfare would require it be tank heavy (and tanks aren't great in this game), really clever map design, and a complete overhaul of the look of the game.
[RMC]Mjr VIK 1月16日 5時20分 
lol the phoney war as you put it was nothing to do with dunkirk it was the pretend part of the lead up to that accross the water from the maginot line,,,,once the germans passed the maginot line the "phoney war was over" and we started it for real, we where also fighting them covertly, fighting them with the russians, we also fought the japs on land whi8le th eUS was still reeling form peral harbour, YRT on the burma map ......not one single brit or colonial
yes i know north afric is doable, im not refering to ro in general but in FPs g ames in general
the brits are forgotten virtually all the time, and while yes the yanks supplied th elargets contingent for d-day, wihtout the other beaches, the other paras, oh and yes the countless operations mounted by british and canadian commandos for years prior to normandy, how long do yo think d-day would have lasted otherwise,,,, not asking for a lot, just want the biggot game producors to remember ALL the major players in ww2
anywayus that aside
there where many infantry battles in north africa me grandfather foughthere and had some wonderful pictures of the battles
and of course the jungles,,,,, italy also had vast ammounts of brits duriung the push up the aouthern flanks into the reichm no son the game does not haved to be completely remoddeled
some normandy maps, some italian maps
get rid of the yanks in burma and replace it withthe proper allied troops and or create more jungle maps for the PTO
the only thing infact that hasd to be modeled is a comonwealth soldier... th egame does not haved to be overhauld inanyway or form simply a few new official maps and some britts,,
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Ace42 1月16日 7時52分 
RMCMjr VIK の投稿を引用:
lol the phoney war as you put it was nothing to do with dunkirk it was the pretend part of the lead up to that accross the water from the maginot line

And as soon as the Germans began the invasion of France proper, starting through the Ardennes, the expeditionary forces folded like paper and...
... retreated until they got kicked off the continent at Dunkirk.
Which is precisely what I said.

Unless you're suggesting the creation of an "opening of the war" Campaign where the Germans have the odds stacked heavily in their favour and that snapshots the embarrassing defeats in France and Norway; either as a mod (requires a helluva lot of work); or another game (irrelevant to this forum), then battles in these settings are going to be completely incongruous with the rest of the game.

we where also fighting them covertly, fighting them with the russians, we also fought the japs on land whi8le th eUS was still reeling form peral harbour, YRT on the burma map ......not one single brit or colonial

The Russians were supplying the Germans with war materials[en.wikipedia.org] for the opening of the war, right up until Operation Barbarossa in mid '41; On 5 May 1941, Stalin gave a speech to graduates of military academies in Moscow declaring: "War with Germany is inevitable. If comrade Molotov can manage to postpone the war for two or three years that will be our good fortune, but you yourselves must go off and take measures to raise the combat readiness of our forces" - a couple of months before the Assault.

France and the United Kingdom, treating the Soviet attack on Finland as tantamount to entering the war on the side of the Germans, responded to the Soviet invasion by supporting the USSR's expulsion from the League of Nations. - Wiki[en.wikipedia.org]

but in FPs g ames in general the brits are forgotten virtually all the time,
Battlefield 1942 featured the British quite heavily...
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