Fuhrerjehova May 17 @ 6:37pm
The legal right to a refound after the last update for someone who is VAC-banned.
I'm thinking about the legal right to get a refound. All big servers have the new system in which you can't join the server if you have a VAC-ban. Any VAC-ban. I was VAC-banned for cheating in CS 1.6 10 years ago. I was 12-13. Now I'm 22. I should be able to get a refound since the product does not deliver what I, as a costumer, have the right to believe it will.

If I hade cheated in this game, or if steam hade stated that if I had a VAC-ban I wouldn't be able to play, then it would have been another thing. I would have broken the "terms of service". But in this case steam says the exakt opposite.

If you go here: https://support.steampowered.com/kb_article.php?ref=7849-Radz-6869

you can see that steam says, that with the exception of the games liste there, you will only be banned for cheating in the game that you are actually cheating in.

I guess that the aegument against this is that it is not Tripwire that bans me, it is the server admins. But I know no other game that does this, and, if the result is the same (which it more or less is) then the product is still not fit for service.

My question is what Tripwire's status is on this topic. Will those of us who have been banned from one VAC game be able to get a refound?

(This is ridiculous, I can play CS:GO, even though I cheated once, 10 years ago, in CS 1.6, but now I can't play RO2/RS).

Excuse me for my bad english, it's my second language.
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SupaSwope May 17 @ 6:40pm 
Im with this guy. This is stupid. And its not just going to go away... were not just going to forget about it... We will keep making this a big deal until something gets changed.
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Spooktis May 17 @ 7:12pm 
Heres an idea, never cheat and you won't have to deal with this. Your tears are delicious
Priest of Dagon May 17 @ 7:13pm 
Originally posted by BANE?:
Heres an idea, never cheat and you won't have to deal with this. Your tears are delicious

Apparently that's too hard to do for some people.
Sheytanaslan May 17 @ 7:14pm 
Dont cheat :} seems simple to me. You are asking for sympathy here? You are the clown that couldnt even see me at 190 meters yet you got a head shot on me...example :} so no...buy another copy, keep cheating and get banned again. I love it. You should too!
General Sherman May 17 @ 7:16pm 
Originally posted by BANE?:
Heres an idea, never cheat and you won't have to deal with this. Your tears are delicious

Its like chocolate bacon filet mignon.

On topic, its a server side option that is supposed to be set as off by default. At the end of the day, it will be sorted out and everyone with a VAC ban on record will likely be free to play on most of the servers that are lazily administered. If in the end you guys really are banned from playing on a majority of servers, then you will only have server admins to blame, who are the ones spending the time and money to run the server in the first place.

Either way you will be left with no basis on which to demand a refund, legal or othwerwise.
RageBucket May 17 @ 7:17pm 
It's possible to still play online, you have no right to a refund.
Period. You are still capable of playing.
Dosel (Banned) May 17 @ 7:19pm 
+1
Dosel (Banned) May 17 @ 7:23pm 
Yea dont cheat in games, Ok ill rememeber that while i grab my TIME MACHINE
Fuhrerjehova May 17 @ 7:26pm 
Haven't asked for sympathy. I have stated my case on why I think I, and a lot of other people, should be able to get a refound. Since it will be more or less impossible to play on a big server because of this, which is one of the main selling points of the game (especially since there is no single player).

What if you cheated once, many years ago in say... League of legends. Then you buy Battlefield 4. Nothing, absolutly nothing, says on the page that the fact that you cheated in League of legends should have any effect on your BF 4 account.

But then Riot and EA exchange user information, so if anyone has cheated in league of legends, any e-mail linked to the account will be optionally banned in BF4 aswell.

It turns out all big hosts turn this on, but it's "ok" since you can host a game on your own?

And BF4 even got single player...

Or what if you can't access other peoples servers for other reasons. I guess you shouln't be able to get a refound then either, since you still can "play the game".
General Sherman May 17 @ 7:29pm 
Originally posted by Fuhrerjehova:
Haven't asked for sympathy. I have stated my case on why I think I, and a lot of other people, should be able to get a refound. Since it will be more or less impossible to play on a big server because of this, which is one of the main selling points of the game (especially since there is no single player).

What if you cheated once, many years ago in say... League of legends. Then you buy Battlefield 4. Nothing, absolutly nothing, says on the page that the fact that you cheated in League of legends should have any effect on your BF 4 account.

But then Riot and EA exchange user information, so if anyone has cheated in league of legends, any e-mail linked to the account will be optionally banned in BF4 aswell.

It turns out all big hosts turn this on, but it's "ok" since you can host a game on your own?

And BF4 even got single player...

Or what if you can't access other peoples servers for other reasons. I guess you shouln't be able to get a refound then either, since you still can "play the game".

Again, its a server side option. Its not totally up to the developers whether or not the option is enabled. Technically, you are being kicked out of these servers by other players/customers. Server renters/admins to be more specific, who are well within their rights to ban you or me from any server they PAY FOR, for whatever reason they choose.
Priest of Dagon May 17 @ 7:30pm 
Originally posted by Dosel:
Yea dont cheat in games, Ok ill rememeber that while i grab my TIME MACHINE

It's common sense not to cheat in multiplayer games. I find it amusing how you're acting like there's no way you could have known that. You're not a victim so quit acting like one.
Dosel (Banned) May 17 @ 7:34pm 
Originally posted by IG General Sherman:
Originally posted by Fuhrerjehova:
Haven't asked for sympathy. I have stated my case on why I think I, and a lot of other people, should be able to get a refound. Since it will be more or less impossible to play on a big server because of this, which is one of the main selling points of the game (especially since there is no single player).

What if you cheated once, many years ago in say... League of legends. Then you buy Battlefield 4. Nothing, absolutly nothing, says on the page that the fact that you cheated in League of legends should have any effect on your BF 4 account.

But then Riot and EA exchange user information, so if anyone has cheated in league of legends, any e-mail linked to the account will be optionally banned in BF4 aswell.

It turns out all big hosts turn this on, but it's "ok" since you can host a game on your own?

And BF4 even got single player...

Or what if you can't access other peoples servers for other reasons. I guess you shouln't be able to get a refound then either, since you still can "play the game".

Again, its a server side option. Its not totally up to the developers whether or not the option is enabled. Technically, you are being kicked out of these servers by other players/customers. Server renters/admins to be more specific, who are well within their rights to ban you or me from any server they PAY FOR, for whatever reason they choose.

Ok well tecnically discrimation in the south was done by THE OWNERS of buildings and restraunats. Does that make it right to discriminate? Hell no. In the legal standpoint, it does not matter if is the "server owners" or not, the devloper implemented a policy that makes anyone who paid money for this game, who did not agree with any term stating that past bans could carry over to this game, cannot play the game. Add a singleplayer that actually works, and doesnt run like ♥♥♥♥ at 20 fps and just have mindless bots shooting at nothing running in mobile butsex batallions (thats literally how they walk 8 men grouped together very close butraping each other)
Dosel (Banned) May 17 @ 7:35pm 
Originally posted by Priest of Dagon:
Originally posted by Dosel:
Yea dont cheat in games, Ok ill rememeber that while i grab my TIME MACHINE

It's common sense not to cheat in multiplayer games. I find it amusing how you're acting like there's no way you could have known that. You're not a victim so quit acting like one.
Its also common sense that steam VAC is useless, and doesnt prevent cheaters, just bans them. And the only reason for someone not to cheat, is the risk of banning that account, 5-7 hours later. So someone with many accounts buys it on sale, and guess what happens
Fuhrerjehova May 17 @ 7:37pm 
Originally posted by IG General Sherman:
Originally posted by Fuhrerjehova:
Haven't asked for sympathy. I have stated my case on why I think I, and a lot of other people, should be able to get a refound. Since it will be more or less impossible to play on a big server because of this, which is one of the main selling points of the game (especially since there is no single player).

What if you cheated once, many years ago in say... League of legends. Then you buy Battlefield 4. Nothing, absolutly nothing, says on the page that the fact that you cheated in League of legends should have any effect on your BF 4 account.

But then Riot and EA exchange user information, so if anyone has cheated in league of legends, any e-mail linked to the account will be optionally banned in BF4 aswell.

It turns out all big hosts turn this on, but it's "ok" since you can host a game on your own?

And BF4 even got single player...

Or what if you can't access other peoples servers for other reasons. I guess you shouln't be able to get a refound then either, since you still can "play the game".

Again, its a server side option. Its not totally up to the developers whether or not the option is enabled. Technically, you are being kicked out of these servers by other players/customers. Server renters/admins to be more specific, who are well within their rights to ban you or me from any server they PAY FOR, for whatever reason they choose.
In my opinion that is the main argument against a refound. However, even though it is admins who ban you, you could still argue that the product is no longer fit for service, and that such is the case after the developpers made a change. It would have been another thing if this was a mod. Now it is the major game, which we bought. Bought without information on the fact that the developpers were going to put in a system which alloweed server admins to ban everyone who had a VAC-ban from ANY game.
BujinStudent May 17 @ 7:39pm 
Originally posted by Dosel:
Originally posted by IG General Sherman:

Again, its a server side option. Its not totally up to the developers whether or not the option is enabled. Technically, you are being kicked out of these servers by other players/customers. Server renters/admins to be more specific, who are well within their rights to ban you or me from any server they PAY FOR, for whatever reason they choose.

Ok well tecnically discrimation in the south was done by THE OWNERS of buildings and restraunats. Does that make it right to discriminate? Hell no. In the legal standpoint, it does not matter if is the "server owners" or not, the devloper implemented a policy that makes anyone who paid money for this game, who did not agree with any term stating that past bans could carry over to this game, cannot play the game. Add a singleplayer that actually works, and doesnt run like ♥♥♥♥ at 20 fps and just have mindless bots shooting at nothing running in mobile butsex batallions (thats literally how they walk 8 men grouped together very close butraping each other)
WTFF???????
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