COUNT DRACULA Apr 22, 2014 @ 9:10am
NEW EULA SHOULD BE CONSIDERED AN ILLEGAL BREACH OF OUR RIGHTS AND A SCAM
Now TripWire states that they revoke CD keys from people who are "abusive" this includes pretty much anything from racism to hurting someone's feelings. Great job guys, you now can illegally revoke the rights of someone to use the product THEY BOUGHT because they made a joke or slightly offended someone.

This is a blantant anti-consumer practice and an assault on people's freedom of speech. People will now be constantly scared of saying anything by the chance of someone finding it offensive.

I am ok with this practice against cheaters because they can really ruin the experience of honest players who purchased the game, though.

Source:

http://forums.tripwireinteractive.com/announcement.php?f=72&a=10


Really TripWire? Really? Your rights to update your EULA? Are you sure your right to update your EULA also gives you carte blanche to destroy the rights of your paying customers? How about my consumer rights that are protected by my country's constitution and the European Union? How about my right to freedom of speech? How about the fact that it is extremely wrong and immoral you believing that you are entitled to revoke the product someone paid for when they didn't do anything wrong or illegal?

This is nothing short of criminal. This is as bad as when EA and Bioware banned people from their singleplayer game because they got banned from the forums.

You already have our money and now you decide to do this on the game we enjoy, have some shame.

It's things like this that make me stop supporting devs and gradually make me buy less and less games on steam.
Last edited by COUNT DRACULA; Apr 22, 2014 @ 2:12pm
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fishski Apr 22, 2014 @ 9:21am 
I can see where you're coming from but the key phrase in the new EULA is continually or repeatedly abusive - which is fair game I think.
COUNT DRACULA Apr 22, 2014 @ 9:24am 
Originally posted by fishster:
I can see where you're coming from but the key phrase in the new EULA is continually or repeatedly abusive - which is fair game I think.

"We also will not tolerate anyone using the game, or any servers or forums provided for the game, to be continually or repeatedly abusive to other players. This includes, but is not limited to, "griefing", racist bigotry, sexism or any other forms of "cyber bullying". We will also not tolerate anyone hosting servers for the game where such behaviors are continually or repeatedly allowed to take place."

How are they going to qualify it though?
It's seems very vague and very broad, which is extremely irresponsible when it comes to revoking the rights of someone using a product they bought. They also seem to think they can call the shots on people who run the servers. They have gone mad.

Still "cyberbullying" isn't a just cause for taking away something people own.
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Anderson Apr 22, 2014 @ 9:26am 
Don't be ridiculous!
If you keep in your best behaviour I'm sure you won't have problems.
Obviously something has to be done against the bad people. Even Valve has VAC bans and systems that ensure that cheating and offensive behaviour doesn't go unpunished.
Edgar O'Vaelen Apr 22, 2014 @ 9:27am 
After the latest update outright breaking the game for me and now this crap? I just want my damn money back, this isn't the game I paid for anymore. Not by a long shot.
jahng-goon Apr 22, 2014 @ 9:45am 
technically the only thing you own when you bought the game is the physical CD. All content inside is still owned by TWI. This is the case for almost all games.
fishski Apr 22, 2014 @ 9:49am 
I think Anderson nailed it - if everybody behaved then it wouldn't be a problem but if your continued and repeated actions online cause distress to others then I'm quite happy for people to get banned. I'd quite like to see them shamed publically and their computer equipment ground up for fertiliser when all is said and done ;)
[AMG] PsychoPigeon Apr 22, 2014 @ 9:56am 
Same thing with other online games, get caught acting like a ♥♥♥♥ and you face suspension or ban
COUNT DRACULA Apr 22, 2014 @ 9:57am 
Originally posted by fishster:
I think Anderson nailed it - if everybody behaved then it wouldn't be a problem but if your continued and repeated actions online cause distress to others then I'm quite happy for people to get banned. I'd quite like to see them shamed publically and their computer equipment ground up for fertiliser when all is said and done ;)

Spoken like a true stalinist.
Edgar O'Vaelen Apr 22, 2014 @ 9:58am 
Originally posted by fishster:
I'd quite like to see them shamed publically and their computer equipment ground up for fertiliser when all is said and done ;)
You're genuinely nuts and you've hurt my feelings, I think you should be banned and have your game revoked from your library.
Oh yeah, silicon and copper is terrible for fertilizer, it's like you're trying to destroy agriculture as well, you sick freak.
[TW]Yoshiro  [developer] Apr 22, 2014 @ 10:00am 
COUNT DRACULA Apr 22, 2014 @ 10:01am 
Originally posted by *PsychoPigeon*:
Same thing with other online games, get caught acting like a ♥♥♥♥ and you face suspension or ban

Nope. Do people get banned from servers? Yes. Do they get their CD keys revoked? Nope.
COUNT DRACULA Apr 22, 2014 @ 10:23am 
Originally posted by TWYoshiro:
We've been disusing this in our forums. You can find the threads here: http://forums.tripwireinteractive.com/showthread.php?t=98832 and http://forums.tripwireinteractive.com/showthread.php?t=98818

That doesn't make it any better, it actually makes it worse, I see no valid justification for this anywhere on these threads. Valve doesn't even revoke people's CD keys for cheating, they just get banned from VAC secured servers.

I have put up with a lot from Valve and other game devs but this takes the cake. This is extremely anti-consumer and I can't believe people even support it. I thought us gamers were supposed to have eachother's backs instead of being unpaid shills for companies.
MurcDusen Apr 22, 2014 @ 10:39am 
So, what exactly is supposed to be illegal about that?
What you can and can't do with a product you bought is defined by the EULA. If the EULA states that you can't be abusive, then it's not your right to be abusive. If you break that agreement, the company is in no way legally bound to still let you use their product. Period.
The only thing you can argue is that the EULA itself is not legal, because it breaks "higher" laws. You say it's against the European consumer rights and freedom of speech. I'd really like to see which consumer law this breaks, I couldn't find a single one.
Regarding freedom of speech:
"2. The exercise of these freedoms, since it carries with it duties and responsibilities, may be subject to such formalities, conditions, restrictions or penalties as are prescribed by law and are necessary in a democratic society, in the interests of national security, territorial integrity or public safety, for the prevention of disorder or crime, for the protection of health or morals, for the protection of the reputation or rights of others, for preventing the disclosure of information received in confidence, or for maintaining the authority and impartiality of the judiciary."
This is taken from the EU charter of fundamental rights, and it's also essentially part of every constitution I know of that has Freedom of Speech in it. Freedom of speech does NOT cover hate speech and abusive behauviour, that's always been like that.
If you don't like this new EULA, fine, but don't confuse what you think is good with what is actually legal.

Technicolor Cartoon Horse™ Apr 22, 2014 @ 10:43am 
Originally posted by fishster:
I can see where you're coming from but the key phrase in the new EULA is continually or repeatedly abusive - which is fair game I think.
The terms of revocation are too subjective to be considered fair by any standard because there is no defined number or severity of offenses, anything could be taken as an offensive strike and any number of "strikes" could occur before the key is revoked.. Offensive or not, saying racist or offensive things is still protected both under freedom of speech and of unpopular opinion, and this is a violation of both, similar to the current terms and conditions of the steam forums (also subjective as hell and allows admins free reign simply based on not liking someone or what someone has to say.)
NOTE: There is a difference between saying something offensive or racist (Example: "♥♥♥♥ you." or "I hate black people") And then there is hate speech where you explicitly go out of your way to tell /everyone/ how much you hate (insert race / gender / sexuality here) so much and how they should all die / go to hell / be put in prison.
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Vince Apr 22, 2014 @ 11:02am 
If this effects you, I'm glad you're upset. I hope you have your key revoked.

There is no need for unnecessary hostility online. Don't want your key revoked? Don't be an ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥. Simple.
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