I never understood it

[Bad Wolf]

This might seem strange to some,especially on the vets but plz dont hate me for asking but why is it that TLs always scream "SLs give me marks,give marks".Last time i checked the TL has a pair of binoculars of his own so if he wants a mark why not mark the target him self and then call in the arty.Its what ive done the few times ive ever commandiered and it did work.If you find my question obserd because you have a perfectly valid answer plz dont hate-comment but post the answer so that i know from now on.Thx

[IRDCAM]

The usual tendency to overwhelm the map with 'marks' is usually counter productive as the 'marks' tend to cluster. A good Commander will ask for a mark where 'he' feels the arty is needed, SL's tend to think arty is only to support his 'goals' rather than the entire team mission.

Learning how to be an effective Commander is the ability to communicate your intent, then let the SL's fight the battle based on your intent. Too many times there is NO co-ordination and SL's go off and do thier own thing.

Usually as I command I ask for marks based on what is needed at the time, ignore all the other's, and fire arty based on overall tactical need, not individual SL's needs. I never fire objestives unless just capped by enemy, I tend to use 'blocking' fires preventing reinforcement of CAP's being taken, usually between the enemy spawn and objective area.

And yes 'radio hugger' Commanders can not get a totoal view of the field, and should use thier bino's to observe the battle and yes plot his own arty when needed.

[Herr Olentzero]

Well, of course, TL can make his own marks, but TL is a VIP so he usually stands at the back of the map or at least not near the fight. Being so, marking a target when you are 100/200 meters away from the fight it's kind of difficult. That's why squad leaders, who are supposed to be where the fight is, must give marks to the TL.

[Remorhaz]

TL's spend alot of time near the radios on the map, especially when they're calling in recon / artillery off cool-down. Part of the responsibilities of a squad leader include providing regular artillery coordinates for your team, and if you're refusing to use your binoculars you're not performing your role correctly. Having multiple squad leaders with marks gives the TL a few options as to where to drop arty, while also saving them from having to poke their heads up and potentially get killed.

[Bad Wolf]

Serzhant Patapov eredeti hozzászólása:

The usual tendency to overwhelm the map with 'marks' is usually counter productive as the 'marks' tend to cluster. A good Commander will ask for a mark where 'he' feels the arty is needed, SL's tend to think arty is only to support his 'goals' rather than the entire team mission.

Learning how to be an effective Commander is the ability to communicate your intent, then let the SL's fight the battle based on your intent. Too many times there is NO co-ordination and SL's go off and do thier own thing.

Usually as I command I ask for marks based on what is needed at the time, ignore all the other's, and fire arty based on overall tactical need, not individual SL's needs. I never fire objestives unless just capped by enemy, I tend to use 'blocking' fires preventing reinforcement of CAP's being taken, usually between the enemy spawn and objective area.

And yes 'radio hugger' Commanders can not get a totoal view of the field, and should use thier bino's to observe the battle and yes plot his own arty when needed.

And my point still stands why does the commander have to rely on the Sls to get the mark on the areas "he" feels the arty is needed and doesnt just puts the mark there him self?Thats my question

[Bad Wolf]

Sir Olentzero eredeti hozzászólása:

Well, of course, TL can make his own marks, but TL is a VIP so he usually stands at the back of the map or at least not near the fight. Being so, marking a target when you are 100/200 meters away from the fight it's kind of difficult. That's why squad leaders, who are supposed to be where the fight is, must give marks to the TL.

But why must the commander be a vip? Its not like he is more likely to get killed in the battlefield if he pops his head up.The enemy will shoot at anything that is moving no mtter the cap he is wearing.His respawn time is also the same as others so that also doesntt raises hes importance.So why cant he run along the other troops in the battlefield,mark the target ,get intencionaly killed to be spawned near the radio and call in the arty?

[Remorhaz]

Radio positions are normally far back from the frontlines, as Sir Olentzero said.
It's much easier to mark when you're in the thick of the combat as opposed to 200M away in the bunker by the radio. If the commander gets killed you'll be denied arty and recon support for the spawn queue and the time it takes him to get to a radio - why risk your only support when you have so many SL's who can do the same job?

[Herr Olentzero]

Imagine Guadalcanal, defending team. You are defending C and need an artillery mark between C and B to block the japanese attack. If TL tries to mark it, he must be near it, at least inside C cap. There, he risks to get a headshot, a nade, get blown by the enemy artillery or even a tk. But if he stays at D, he is safe there and meanwhile there are 4 squad leaders giving him the mark that's needed.

[Bad Wolf]

BAKER eredeti hozzászólása:

TL's spend alot of time near the radios on the map, especially when they're calling in recon / artillery off cool-down. Part of the responsibilities of a squad leader include providing regular artillery coordinates for your team, and if you're refusing to use your binoculars you're not performing your role correctly. Having multiple squad leaders with marks gives the TL a few options as to where to drop arty, while also saving them from having to poke their heads up and potentially get killed.

And my question is wwhy is the responsibilty of mark making on the SL and not the TL when none is more important than the other they have the same equipment ?

[Bad Wolf]

BAKER eredeti hozzászólása:

Radio positions are normally far back from the frontlines, as Sir Olentzero said.
It's much easier to mark when you're in the thick of the combat as opposed to 200M away in the bunker by the radio. If the commander gets killed you'll be denied arty and recon support for the spawn queue and the time it takes him to get to a radio - why risk your only support when you have so many SL's who can do the same job?

If the SL is convienently close to the intended mark location sure he should mark,but im talking about the TL that will either stay by their radio and scream for marks or the TLs that will be in the battlefront but will leave the marking job for the SL as it something below them.Im stationg that theres no reason for those type of TLs to do that when they have the cappasity to mark for their selves

[Herr Olentzero]

Doubting the importance of TL is quite surprising.

[Grey Seer Thanquol]

Bad Wolf Back From Holidays eredeti hozzászólása:

BAKER eredeti hozzászólása:

TL's spend alot of time near the radios on the map, especially when they're calling in recon / artillery off cool-down. Part of the responsibilities of a squad leader include providing regular artillery coordinates for your team, and if you're refusing to use your binoculars you're not performing your role correctly. Having multiple squad leaders with marks gives the TL a few options as to where to drop arty, while also saving them from having to poke their heads up and potentially get killed.

And my question is wwhy is the responsibilty of mark making on the SL and not the TL when none is more important than the other they have the same equipment ?

TLs can use radios SLs cannot, also there are multiple SLs so they can cover the combat zone better than a lone TL

[Bad Wolf]

Sir Olentzero eredeti hozzászólása:

Doubting the importance of TL is quite surprising.

Depends on wht you mean by importance.He is important to the team for his capasity to insta respawn others and to call in arty ,but when it comes to fighting and arty marking why swhould he more important when he is as expendable and has the same capasity to do the job ?ANd its not like he doesnt have time for it.Arty he can calls in once every 5 mins,and insta respawn is not need so often that it negates him to do other things.

[Bad Wolf]

thelasttwinkie eredeti hozzászólása:

Bad Wolf Back From Holidays eredeti hozzászólása:

And my question is wwhy is the responsibilty of mark making on the SL and not the TL when none is more important than the other they have the same equipment ?

TLs can use radios SLs cannot, also there are multiple SLs so they can cover the combat zone better than a lone TL

But the TL will call in only one mark,the one he sees more fit and why not let him mark since its him that will be deciding the best spot for arty ?Also as i said he can mark and then go to the radio to call in te arty most times with out the mark being rendered useless

[Bad Wolf]

A note after hearing the responce of many,in no case am i saying that its should be the Tls sole task to mark but he also should not neglect to do it him self if it comes to it.Most TLs will not call in arty until an SL decides to mark ,making the team lose or many will not even take the commder slot because "there are no SLs to mak".So wouldnt it be wiser for a TL to mark himself if he sees that the SLs are not them selves instead of waiting and begging the Sls to wake up?He should in other words take the matter into his own hands instead of waiting for others to do the work for him when he is perfecly capable of doing it himself.

[Hyperborean]

The TL simply cannot see whats going on at the cap zones in most cases. You want him to run from the radios (whilst neglecting his duties to call recon and force respawns) to put down an arty mark on a position and run back to a radio (by which time half his team could be under his mark). It's not difficult for a SL to use a bino and press one button to put a mark down.