Total War: SHOGUN 2

Total War: SHOGUN 2

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Viverlin May 5, 2014 @ 11:07am
Legendary clan status
Hello! i have been playing shogun for a ehile now but somehting that always anoyed me a bit is that once you get 22 provinces if i am correct you will become a legendary clan and every single person will agro you. even some of your allies. is there any way to fix this? there are npcs that have 25 provinces but they don't get war deaclared by everyone.

i tried stopping from getting any provinces at 20 but i keep getting war deaclared. my daimyo honor is 7 total but i believe i can only use 5.

there are 2 monster clans that have terrfying power just like me and they are fighting eachother since the start of the game. but as soon as i am legendary they join forces against me XD
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Clownpiece May 5, 2014 @ 11:20am 
It's called Realm Divide. You'll have to deal with it in order to win. You can stop right before you reach legendary status and prepare for fighting against most if not all clans. Remember to try to marry into other clans so that you can keep allies for a little bit longer.
Viverlin May 5, 2014 @ 11:22am 
Originally posted by Dingdongpo:
It's called Realm Divide. You'll have to deal with it in order to win. You can stop right before you reach legendary status and prepare for fighting against most if not all clans. Remember to try to marry into other clans so that you can keep allies for a little bit longer.

I have forced my clan to marry so many people i feel im running a brothel. they still turn against me tho :c oh well.
Clownpiece May 5, 2014 @ 11:29am 
Originally posted by Viverlin:
I have forced my clan to marry so many people i feel im running a brothel. they still turn against me tho :c oh well.
Yes, they will declare war at one point. Realm Divide rapidly decreases relations with all clans. It's very possible to keep an ally until you win, but it's difficult. At the very least you'll get more time to prepare yourself. Good luck!
Viverlin May 5, 2014 @ 11:46am 
Originally posted by Dingdongpo:
Originally posted by Viverlin:
I have forced my clan to marry so many people i feel im running a brothel. they still turn against me tho :c oh well.
Yes, they will declare war at one point. Realm Divide rapidly decreases relations with all clans. It's very possible to keep an ally until you win, but it's difficult. At the very least you'll get more time to prepare yourself. Good luck!

Thank you! :D i went back a few load points to prepare myself. i only have 125 hours i am still a padawan in the ways of shogun.
.O. May 6, 2014 @ 12:53am 
do not try to make long lasting allies pre Realm Divide because the RD hit increases each turn I believe. So if your relationship with them is great, yes they will stick around for a bit, but eventually they will end up turning on you as well. It's much better to just destroy all of them, then start making vassal states post realm divide. Factions created after RD doesn't have the RD hit on them meaning it is entirely possible to keep them on good terms until the end of the game.

Also, taking the capital if I remember correctly will also trigger Realm Divide, so try to take it either as the absolute last province to trigger your victory, or shortly after Realm Divide. That way you won't make allies and them lose them again when you take the capital.
Viverlin May 6, 2014 @ 8:40am 
thanks!
Clownpiece May 6, 2014 @ 10:35am 
Originally posted by .O.:
Also, taking the capital if I remember correctly will also trigger Realm Divide, so try to take it either as the absolute last province to trigger your victory, or shortly after Realm Divide. That way you won't make allies and them lose them again when you take the capital.
It will trigger Realm Divide, but only after a year. Therefore you're allowed to take Kyoto without going into Realm Divide for a little bit. It's a great province to take before going into Realm Divide, since you'll likely have a large amount of losses after taking it, and it's a very important province to hold.

By the way, you DO want to make an alliance that you want to last. The Realm Divide relation drop will cap at -200, so it's actually very possible to keep an ally through Realm Divide. You'll have to start the alliance quick and put some effort into keeping them friendly though.
Viverlin May 6, 2014 @ 3:21pm 
it dropped from 125 to already -2 in two turns
hungsterx May 10, 2014 @ 4:56pm 
When everyone you know of are against you then what how do you deal with all of them?
Delta 1038 May 10, 2014 @ 6:47pm 
Originally posted by hungsterx:
When everyone you know of are against you then what how do you deal with all of them?

To paraphrase Sun Tzu;

"If your enemy is strong; evade him. If your enemy is equal in strength; prepare for him. If your enemy is weak; crush him."

Anyway what this means is that by the time you almost hit the dreaded Realm Divide, you should of have planned out on where and who you can and cannot fight. e.g have very loyal allies (150+ Like points), and enemy which you only to have to fight on one front and so on.

You can read more here;

http://forums.totalwar.com/showthread.php/14576-Diplomacy-Guide.

Yes it says the diplomacy guide and trust me; Toyotomi Hideyoshi didn't unify Japan just by the sword and neither will you. So get used to realpolitiks.
Viverlin May 10, 2014 @ 6:56pm 
Originally posted by Delta 1038:
Originally posted by hungsterx:
When everyone you know of are against you then what how do you deal with all of them?

To paraphrase Sun Tzu;

"If your enemy is strong; evade him. If your enemy is equal in strength; prepare for him. If your enemy is weak; crush him."

Anyway what this means is that by the time you almost hit the dreaded Realm Divide, you should of have planned out on where and who you can and cannot fight. e.g have very loyal allies (150+ Like points), and enemy which you only to have to fight on one front and so on.

You can read more here;

http://forums.totalwar.com/showthread.php/14576-Diplomacy-Guide.

Yes it says the diplomacy guide and trust me; Toyotomi Hideyoshi didn't unify Japan just by the sword and neither will you. So get used to realpolitiks.


good tip! but everything is possible in games :D
.O. May 22, 2014 @ 1:18am 
Originally posted by Dingdongpo:
Originally posted by .O.:
Also, taking the capital if I remember correctly will also trigger Realm Divide, so try to take it either as the absolute last province to trigger your victory, or shortly after Realm Divide. That way you won't make allies and them lose them again when you take the capital.
It will trigger Realm Divide, but only after a year. Therefore you're allowed to take Kyoto without going into Realm Divide for a little bit. It's a great province to take before going into Realm Divide, since you'll likely have a large amount of losses after taking it, and it's a very important province to hold.

By the way, you DO want to make an alliance that you want to last. The Realm Divide relation drop will cap at -200, so it's actually very possible to keep an ally through Realm Divide. You'll have to start the alliance quick and put some effort into keeping them friendly though.


I know the cap for the RD hit is -200, but it's really hard to maintain +200 from other stuff without actually bribing them every other turn. Assuming you have max RD hit and you've been doing your best to get positive relations from everything else like marriage and trade etc, you'd still only be in the 10-30 range relationship wise with them i think. Then you get saddled with expansion hits, so it becomes really difficult to expand quickly unless you constantly bribe them.

Originally posted by hungsterx:
When everyone you know of are against you then what how do you deal with all of them?

You need to prepare beforehand. Try to expand your rule in a way that you only have 1 frontline to worry about, 2 at most. Any more than that and you really shouldn't be triggering RD or you will have to keep on scrambling to meet invaders.
Clownpiece May 22, 2014 @ 9:00am 
Originally posted by .O.:
I know the cap for the RD hit is -200, but it's really hard to maintain +200 from other stuff without actually bribing them every other turn. Assuming you have max RD hit and you've been doing your best to get positive relations from everything else like marriage and trade etc, you'd still only be in the 10-30 range relationship wise with them i think. Then you get saddled with expansion hits, so it becomes really difficult to expand quickly unless you constantly bribe them.
Very true, you shouldn't really be gunning for good relations after -200. I should have said that you're able to win long before Realm Divide ever hits -200, or even before it gets worse than expansion. Realm Divide doesn't make much of a difference at first, and you should be able to hurry up and finish the game before your allies can declare war. And hey, bribing is always an option!
Ishida Jun 9, 2014 @ 4:05pm 
i just got realm divide, so my enemies are Takeda Shogunate, Uesugi, honma and former ally hatakeyama, so far managed to fight off their invation abit ut the annoying part is the agents come out and their small army attacking farms and sabotage guerilla style
Clownpiece Jun 9, 2014 @ 4:40pm 
Originally posted by れい石田:
i just got realm divide, so my enemies are Takeda Shogunate, Uesugi, honma and former ally hatakeyama, so far managed to fight off their invation abit ut the annoying part is the agents come out and their small army attacking farms and sabotage guerilla style
Well, hit them back! This is where even low level Ninjas come in handy, since they can hit farms easily, and that will cripple their income if you have a lot of Ninjas going around.
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