NECAUSSINE Mar 6, 2014 @ 10:42pm
Total War Shogun 2 Fall Of The Samurai - Frustrations to battle outcome when you should've won
You guys know when you have more units than your enemy outnumbering them 2-1. Well for my case, I was beating my computer opponent until my units start ROUTING!!!!!!! All this happen every time I go up against a bunch of gunners. Even though you have more units than your enemy, by the time you climbed to the top of the walls, they already gunned down more than 50% of your men. (By the way I had cannons and ninjas backing me up too). THEN, THEY ALL START ROUTING AND YOU LOSE!!!!!!!!!!! If a similar case happened to you, feel free to share. I'm a Total War player for a long time and ever since I started playing Fall Of The Samurai, if somebody else has guns and you don't you will lose.
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[B'oh] ShadowFighter88 Mar 7, 2014 @ 2:43am 
Main thing causing this is, as well as the lethality, firearms have a morale impact on the target. The trade-off is that bows have a longer range (at least in the base game, not sure about in FotS but it wouldn't surprise me if the range difference was still there) and can be fired indirectly over walls and terrain.
Iron93 Mar 7, 2014 @ 3:31am 
yes use archers
kachi archers have 150 range
every gunner troop (except for sharpshooters, tose riflemen and yugiketai) have 125 range
Rhoads Mar 7, 2014 @ 4:56am 
You have to avoid their volleys, the moral impact is extreme, and realistic, you should invest in some nice Vet Bows and then just snipe the Musket guys from far behind.

For close combat use some No Dachi with Banzai, they never Route but fight to the last man.
Last edited by Rhoads; Mar 7, 2014 @ 4:57am
RTK | Kav the Psycho Mar 7, 2014 @ 5:33am 
Strategy....... not numbers
[B'oh] ShadowFighter88 Mar 7, 2014 @ 3:48pm 
Originally posted by RTK | Kav the Psycho:
Strategy....... not numbers
Agreed - best example of it is actually one of Shogun 2's historical battles; the Battle of Okehazama. Yeah, it's a couple of centuries before FotS (was in 1560 for those curious), but it still demonstrated that numbers aren't always the deciding factor. Oda Nobunaga had less than 3,000 people under his command while his opponent, Imagawa Yoshimoto, had nearly ten times that number. End result was a dead Yoshimoto, a heavily disrupted Imagawa army and everyone else in the country taking the 'Fool of Owari' very seriously.
Iron93 Mar 8, 2014 @ 3:33am 
yes
but Oda for what i remember attacked Yoshimoto while he wasn't expecting anything like that
becausa Oda make a long march inside forests
and Yoshimoto wasn't kilòle while commanding his troops but in his tend
in a shogun campaign your hidden armies are always found
most of time in my battles campaign overcome enemy in number is always a good tactic especially in sieges
there is an old rule that said if you want win a siege as attacker you must have a relation number between your and enemy's troops of 3:1
Epic The Incandescent Mar 8, 2014 @ 12:33pm 
a great way to disrupt enemy gunners in fall of the samurai is calvary gunners or calvary units in general, have them circle around their flanks then poke at them to get them to disrupt their volleys, make sure you fight em in a forest if you lack bows or guns of your own, NEVER EVER EVER charge a firing line head on it is suicide! fight up hill and get your units to cicrle them, friendly fire is mega demoralizing and will disrupt their army bad if you trik enemy gunners into attacking throw away units athus hitting thewir general :P
[B'oh] ShadowFighter88 Mar 8, 2014 @ 2:13pm 
Originally posted by Iron93*"G·L™"*:
yes
but Oda for what i remember attacked Yoshimoto while he wasn't expecting anything like that
becausa Oda make a long march inside forests
and Yoshimoto wasn't kilòle while commanding his troops but in his tend
in a shogun campaign your hidden armies are always found
most of time in my battles campaign overcome enemy in number is always a good tactic especially in sieges
there is an old rule that said if you want win a siege as attacker you must have a relation number between your and enemy's troops of 3:1
I was just making a point that numbers are far from the deciding factor in a fight, not that Nobunaga's strategy could work in-game. More an example of the abstract concept of how you use the forces you command being more decisive than simply how many you have.
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