Shroud of the Avatar: Forsaken Virtues

Shroud of the Avatar: Forsaken Virtues

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Ryuu Jul 6, 2015 @ 6:52pm
hearing alot of mixed reviews...
looking into buying, but read alot of negative reviews? do people still play or have they gave up on it.
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Don't! Wait until it is out of Alpha.
Last edited by Major Magoo (rtd); Jul 6, 2015 @ 7:32pm
Xodus316 Jul 6, 2015 @ 10:34pm 
Let me start off by saying I'm a huge Ultima fan, and jumped on the kickstarter as soon as it was available shelling out for $125. I've backed quite a few games, and have to say this is possibly the most disappointing game I've backed.

Yes, the game is still in Alpha, but here is my problems with the game:

1. Graphics - The graphics are honestly not very good. Its better than something like Everquest, but its worse than Vanilla Wow. The game is running on Unity 5. Unity 5 is capable of producing some nice graphics. I feel like if they weren't willing to invest in graphics, they should have kept it at an Isometric view, similar to UO. That way it wouldn't be as much of an issue. This is the part that concerns me a lot, because I doubt they are going to revamp every model and texture in the game between now and launch.

2. Sound - Sound is just ok, but that can easily be improved by launch.

3. Music - Not as good as music in the Ultima series, but its not bad either.

4. Combat - Combat is pretty bad right now. They have a unique system in where your action bar has skills randomly appear like a card game, but other than that its pretty simplistic right now. You just stand there autoattacking and hitting skills as they appear. They have plenty of time to improve this though.


Right now, I would suggest not buying it. There is room to make some improvements, but some things I think will stick around until the end.
smackaholic Jul 6, 2015 @ 10:36pm 
This game is definitely very Early Access still and is undergoing major construction, so there are likely a lot of folks just waiting until its Alpha or even Beta, or only jumping in to get the release-exclusive rewards.

But if you like what you see (watch YouTube vids of it, like on The Mad Hermit's channel), and understand / accept Early Access and what that means, and you want to be a part of the development process by testing and giving constructive feedback, by all means, go for it. You can help shape the game to your liking.

There's actually tons to do in terms of the multiplayer sandbox: hundreds of combat skills to test, nearly a thousand recipes to craft, several dozen unique scenes to explore and do quests in, and yep, even housing and many hundreds of decoration objects to toy around with.

Having said that, there isn't much of a true (single player) RPG here, yet...especially in regards to mechanics (story/lore they're holding back on purpose because spoilers).

So a lot of the "content" aside from those core systems is what the active community is doing with their awesome events, like maze races, gustball competitions, role play, etc. And soon player-created quests!
smackaholic Jul 6, 2015 @ 11:40pm 
Originally posted by Strykerx88:
"Awesome" events is very subjective. If you do not like playing dress up and pretend* with other grown adults, avoid since that is all that's going on in game for the past few months.

Sure, it's subjective, but naah, it's been more than just "dress up and pretend". But to each his own, whatever floats your boat or tickles your fancy, different strokes for different folks, etc.

I'm just hoping they give us access to the single player offline game sooner rather than later so we can see how the game will truly stand on its own.
SotAFans Jul 7, 2015 @ 12:09am 
I just say its a nice game. Every day I login to gathering materials for crafting equipments or decro my houses. Yeah, Its awesome that u can explore the maps with friends.
Originally posted by Xodus316:
Let me start off by saying I'm a huge Ultima fan, and jumped on the kickstarter as soon as it was available shelling out for $125. I've backed quite a few games, and have to say this is possibly the most disappointing game I've backed.

Yes, the game is still in Alpha, but here is my problems with the game:

1. Graphics - The graphics are honestly not very good. Its better than something like Everquest, but its worse than Vanilla Wow. The game is running on Unity 5. Unity 5 is capable of producing some nice graphics. I feel like if they weren't willing to invest in graphics, they should have kept it at an Isometric view, similar to UO. That way it wouldn't be as much of an issue. This is the part that concerns me a lot, because I doubt they are going to revamp every model and texture in the game between now and launch.

2. Sound - Sound is just ok, but that can easily be improved by launch.

3. Music - Not as good as music in the Ultima series, but its not bad either.

4. Combat - Combat is pretty bad right now. They have a unique system in where your action bar has skills randomly appear like a card game, but other than that its pretty simplistic right now. You just stand there autoattacking and hitting skills as they appear. They have plenty of time to improve this though.


Right now, I would suggest not buying it. There is room to make some improvements, but some things I think will stick around until the end.

I agree. SotA is the main reason why I stopped to support games on Kickstarter and Early Access. Now I only buy fully released games (with linux support) where I can clearly see what I am getting without any surprises.

Originally posted by Strykerx88:
dress up and pretend
This + decorating houses
Last edited by ilcontegis [Linux]; Jul 7, 2015 @ 1:57am
Katrina Bekers Jul 7, 2015 @ 7:38am 
People still play it a lot.

A lot of the negative reviews come from people "playing" (I should write "testing", because at this stage, there's not much to really play) very little, and stopping very early. You can check the positive/negative reviews weighing them by the amount of hours played.

And that's also because the game itself is being designed as very rough, unforgiving, "no hands held" trend reverter, where your quest are acquired by typing into a chat box in a dialog with an NPC, and not clicking on a bobbing exclamation point, or the rule to know if a zone is about your level is "how many times you die".

Said this, I would NOT recommend it at this stage, unless you have a very positive, constructive, developer-oriented attitude. It's (too) early for many aspects. Some may be steered if enough people contribute with feedback (the changes to the combat system in the two previous releases have been considered good steps, for exampl), others are far less elastic (the dual map will stay, alas).

We regular players have a blast playing, and organizing and carrying on events. In the true spirit of a sandbox, we're setting our own goals and reaching them with the tools at our disposal. And we still know next to nothing of the story/main quest/single player! If that's what this title will sell itself for, then it's being kept very well hidden.

Wrt who talks about dress up events: did you try to beat the 3D maze? Or won a match in the gust league?
I see people responding to comments that don't exist. Are these devs banning people who say negative things about their game too? A lot of this going on lately on Steam.
catnipgames  [developer] Jul 7, 2015 @ 1:06pm 
@Deagle, I banned someone who had not purchased the game, came to the forum and made about a dozen completely unconstructive posts. We might ban one person a week, if that and I always verify that they haven't purchased the game. Sorry, but you have to add something to the conversation and that guy didn't. He was just dropping poop everywhere and attacking other posters and then moving on to the next forum to troll.
I don't see anything that bad (from the left over comments anyway) and when you search that user name it says he has 3 hours played, so if he doesn't own the game um..... anyway don't people usually respond a lot more harshly to someone that is attacking others?
lorddeliverence Jul 8, 2015 @ 2:50am 
I tend to find forums that are outside of the developers own forums tend to be a circle jerk of a handful of people trolling the forum so I don't spend a lot of time in them.

Take ED they had the same people on the KS comments page for months bagging the game day after day and it was kind of sad as they would egg one another on. Meanwhile ED launched and has been a huge success cleaning up on awards and has generated millions in revenue. In addition the majority of the backers are atually happy with the game and it currently holds a 80/100 metacritic rating, despite the doom and gloom the trolls prophesized.

To me there isn't really a game to play at this stage, so if you buy into it now you will probably be dissapointed. There are however things to do, some minor quests, places to explore, things to kill, though a lot of it is still rough around the edges as one would expect for a pre-alpha.

Buy the game if you want to see it come together and be apart of it or if you want to support the developers because you like what you see. Otherwise I'd recommend to wait until the game comes out and the reviews come in so you'll have a better idea as to what to expect.
林仙儿 Jul 8, 2015 @ 3:18am 
I think if you feel steam forum not have any player play this game and community is dead May you consider it again perhaps you should go ahead to we community forum in https://www.shroudoftheavatar.com/forum/index.php you will known this game have many positve review from us and it have a lot of question(and already answer so if you have any question go look in forum) plus very warm welcome to community with very nice people to play and answer any question to you so feel free to chat in SOTA forum.You also can request any idea or neccesery you think it need add to SOTA by direct chat with develop so that why I love this game so much :) pm. sorry for very bad grammar it not my native language.
Last edited by 林仙儿; Jul 8, 2015 @ 3:24am
Just applied for my refund for this game, the hype is not reflected in the quality or current content in the game, for a game that's already raised over 6 million and counting, for a game where people are investing £200 a time to buy land and property, for a game which is so desperate to take your money in any way they can...it's more than a little disappointing.

And yes it's pre pre pre pre alpha early access and all that...sorry, but that's not an acceptable excuse, not with this team and that level of funding.
argyle Jul 8, 2015 @ 9:03am 
If one looks at Strykerx88's (the poster who was banned from earlier in the thread) profile as well as the negative review he posted of Shroud of the Avatar, he most certainly does own and has time logged playing SotA, contradicting what the developer posted above when he said

Originally posted by catnipgames:
@Deagle, I banned someone who had not purchased the game, came to the forum and made about a dozen completely unconstructive posts. We might ban one person a week, if that and I always verify that they haven't purchased the game. Sorry, but you have to add something to the conversation and that guy didn't. He was just dropping poop everywhere and attacking other posters and then moving on to the next forum to troll.

This is directly from the Tech Lead of the project, Chris Spears, not a low level community relations guy.

Take what you will from this.
Last edited by argyle; Jul 8, 2015 @ 9:19am
Tim0850 Jul 9, 2015 @ 10:55pm 
In the case of SOTA I would suggest you wait. Like many others I too jumped on the kickstarter bandwagon early, the message from developers was pretty vague at that time all I knew was that I was probably funding an Ultima Online 2 and that was cool. If we fast forward a bit we will see that SOTA is in fact NOT going to be Ultima Online 2 but more or less make an attempt to be a spiritual successor to the single player Ultima games.

I am trying very hard not to be down on this game as I understand it is very early access but at the same time I can't help but feel like they should focus more on the online world aspect. I only say this because when I look at a game like "The Witcher 3" I can't help but think to myself "How will SOTA ever in a million billion years achieve that level of quality and polish?". The areas where SOTA has a chance to thrive however are in it's community aspects, the online multiplayer and virtual world aspect of it all has a real chance to push this game into the spotlight.

As it stands they have ALLOT of work to do on the core systems of the game in order to make said virtual world one you would like to hang your virtual hat in. The combat in its current state exists in 3 variations, active clicking or auto attacking - random draw (RNG) cards and deck building OR vanilla locked combat bars (with heavy penalty to mana consumption.) No one system feels very polished and each of the 3 have people who defend them and people who hate them. I really feel like they need to find their vision and stick to it.

The crafting is another spotty area, they are attempting to set up the world so that players will fund everything and supply all of the gear but the crafting as it stands is so chore like it's not even funny. I recently read a review by someone on the SOTA forum and he explained that crafting a full suit of plate armor required somewhere in the ballpark of 1000 clicks of his mouse. This was due largely in part to the fact that you have to refine materials, turn them into new materials, refine those materials and then craft 1 part of the thing you want to craft, followed by refining more materials to craft the other 2 parts of the thing you want to craft. Complexity is fine but there is such a thing as over engineering.

Finally I would add that as the game stands currently there just isn't a whole lot to do. You can try to fight against unfinished systems and level a character to PVP/DUEL or run dungeons. Or maybe you can try to save money to buy/decorate a home, stumble through "quests" by chat boxing NPC's and asking them "DO YOU NEED HELP" and talk with other people in the world. Beyond those three things however SOTA just doesnt have allot on offer. I forgive a lack of content in the game and a lack of polish because it is indeed EARLY ACCESS and I think my suggestion of waiting is more a comment on "early access" in general and less a mark against SOTA or its developers.

Only time will tell if your patience will be rewarded with a great game or a lame duck my friend. In the end, it's your cash do with it what you wish!
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