Mr. Wonder Apr 6 @ 6:02pm
How did you feel at the end of the story?
I have a friend who's depressed. But I'm not sure what to think by the time that this story has ended.
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Sheen Apr 6 @ 8:59pm 
It's only a game. Nobody can give so much power to a "couple" of sprites and a couple of "deep" phrases.

Life is much more than a videogame. The game take 1 hour, or so, to beat and It's too short to resume a real life, and moreover to feel anything about it. It's true the game is deeper than majority, and it's well written with interesting ideas, but continue being ONLY a game.

Yeah, the guy was fat, the guy hadn't friends, the guy drunk a lot, but the guy didn't move his fat ♥♥♥ to loss weight, the guy didn't work to solve his problems with alcohol or social relations.

It was pretty much easier complain about the society, or the "bad" luck, or something like that.

Life has its own rules, and he chose to kill himself because it was easier than move his fat ♥♥♥ everyday to go to the gim, or leave to drink, or start to cooking, or left to play videogames everynight, or overcome his problems with women. It was easier jump and forget everything.

All people knows if they stop eating, they'll die. But not everybody knows that the social relations, studies, sports, etc.. are the life's food, and some people prefer to feed their fears and see like these ones start to growing up while they see two dwarfs fighting in a ring in a youtube video... for example. XD

Perhaps the game has a "looking in a mirror" effect for some people, and they change their way to live the life. Who knows, more stranger things have happened.

IMHO the game is a beautiful experiment.
Mr. Wonder Apr 6 @ 9:22pm 
Do you think this could be a true story?

You can't really blame the guy on his actions. It's tough to live in a modern world.
Sheen Apr 7 @ 7:45am 
Of course it can be a true story. In fact, this one is its better point. And you're right, It's tough to live in a modern world, but living this modern world complaining all the time for all the things don't make life easier, quite the contrary.

If he had focused on all the things he had instead of complain all the time, things would have gone much better. He had a job, he worked with women, he could have used his money to pay programs to solve his frustations with women, he could have used his money to solve his problem with alcohol, or to pay for a psychologist, not only imagine this one, he could have used his money to practice a sport, etc..

But he didn't chose that, he prefered complain all the time focusing in the things he hadn't. Eating junk food and playing videogames. The game says it clearly: selfcontrol.

One person cannot complain all the time because he is fat while he eats pizza and burgers, or complain all the time because he has no friends when he spend all his free time playing videogames in his room. It has no sense.

LukeRR Apr 7 @ 9:09am 
It was one of those occasional reminders that I'm not alone, which is itself incredibly depressing. It would be nicer to think that I'm the only one who feels this way.
PlagueRat Apr 7 @ 1:42pm 
@ sheen, yes you are right, it doesn't make sense. yes he could use his money to do any one of those things.

the problem is depression makes everything that much harder. it's not just a matter of "complain all the time" but do nothing to fix it. it's really hard to come out of depression.
Hyrenapth Apr 7 @ 6:08pm 
I have many feelings just like the character himself. After some sessions with my psychiatrist I kinda found a way to climb up the abyss and understand myself better. Here is my 2 cents for the ones who also suffer like the character...

Sorry about my english, it is not my native language.

1) I think therefore I exist is not a complete statement. I think AND feel and therefore I exist. Our emotions do participate in the way we perceive reality and truth and therefore our logic also depends on how we feel. We do things in life, objectives included, because we feel, desire for them and those impulses so important in life defines in part what we are.

2) We do not control entirely what we are, and therefore destiny, luck and past and other people do play a strong role about how we feel about the world, about relationships and so on. After years living with certain negative stimulation like bullies, bad parenting, hostile enviroment, there is no way to entirely shield oneself against their influences.

3) People are different from each other, from their perception of time, right, wrong. Some people think it is horribly important to be rich and famous at a certain age, or to marry and have children or other kind of achievments. But such achievments have only any kind of meaning if the person itself feel that they are worth it. When we do realize that our destiny, ourselves, and everything is just not worth it, then comes depression and the ultimate guilt and self loathing about what we are.

4) Life is not a creation of the individual alone. We are a creation part of our decisions, of our luck, of all the people around us, of our money, our culture and so on. It is a powerful truth wich negates the illusion one being entirely responsible for a concept of success or failure and the illusion of being able to control our life entirely. We may have power yes but not necessarialy control.

5) For the people who are facing depression, I can first say that your life is unique, there is no unique truth or path or philosophy wich will pull you out of the abyss like I did. Each person is unique, each person has their own tools to help yourself or to drag yourself down, I learned with some therapy to use my negativism in a constructive way, to detect dangers and the complexity of life but also learning that I dont need to shut all my life doors and live alone to enjoy a bit of I can with my life.

6) You cant win all the time, most people will have their share of failures and that is part of life.

7) How to get out of the abyss? If you dont know by yourself you will have to seek life for it. Success is not guaranteed. WIll depend a bit of luck, maybe a good hard to find therapist, maybe a friend and maybe yourself... each people is an unique case. We learn how to loose in life but we also can only learn how to win by life itself.

For many people what I wrote will sound like ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥, that because it is the way I think and will not really apply to everyone.

About the ending? It was definitive and sad. The game does not allow change because the character itself is focused on condemning himself for what he is and therefore condemnation is what he does for himself.
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Mr. Wonder Apr 7 @ 8:57pm 
Originally posted by Hyrenapth:
1) I think therefore I exist is not a complete statement. I think AND feel and therefore I exist. Our emotions do participate in the way we perceive reality and truth and therefore our logic also depends on how we feel. We do things in life, objectives included, because we feel, desire for them and those impulses so important in life defines in part what we are.

I really do agree with you here. Sometimes, I blame myself for having negative emotions and feelings. But the people around me reassure me that it's only human to have feelings. My dad has taught me to be tough and to "suck it up" a lot.

5) For the people who are facing depression, I can first say that your life is unique, there is no unique truth or path or philosophy wich will pull you out of the abyss like I did. Each person is unique, each person has their own tools to help yourself or to drag yourself down, I learned with some therapy to use my negativism in a constructive way, to detect dangers and the complexity of life but also learning that I dont need to shut all my life doors and live alone to enjoy a bit of I can with my life.

Is there a correct way to define depression, or is depression just is? Is it like a self-diagnosis.

And your points are beautiful Hyrenapth.

While the ending is sad, I felt that it was so definitive. It just made sense. Because I believe that no life can be too sad, there has to be happiness. And if the character chose suicide, in turn that would have offered him the freedom he needed.
Mr. Wonder Apr 7 @ 8:58pm 
Originally posted by LukeRR:
It was one of those occasional reminders that I'm not alone, which is itself incredibly depressing. It would be nicer to think that I'm the only one who feels this way.

There is strength in being with the people around us.
Maurice Lumi Apr 8 @ 7:59pm 
Originally posted by Sheen:
Life has its own rules, and he chose to kill himself because it was easier than move his fat ♥♥♥ everyday to go to the gim, or leave to drink, or start to cooking, or left to play videogames everynight, or overcome his problems with women. It was easier jump and forget everything.
DId you miss the point of the story completely? His life was a vicious cycle, which he couldn't break without someone being by his side.
Motivation and power of will are finite. Yeah, theoretically, you can drop videogames, go to the gym and do whatever else, but that requires quite a bit of willpower and patience just to do it once. And to get a tangible result out of this, you need A LOT of patience. Bear in mind though that Evan was already seriously depressed, with his mind basically betraying him remember those "doctor" visits?, so his willpower and patience were next to none. It was even stated in the game that he tried several times to lose weight and failed.
But where would you find friends, if you're already screwed this much? That's the second, the most awful vicious cycle.

Although, in my opinion, Evan still could've get through this alone, if he had any reason to live besides social. But he didn't have any.
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legotrix May 19 @ 10:34pm 
This game was hard for me, I really did expect multiple endings and having an option to change things. I have struggled with depression all my life, the themes in this game validate how I have felt before in a way greater than expected. However, I really was foolishly seeking hope in this game for my own depression. I was looking for a secret answer to coping that I may have over looked. I know it is really silly to put so much expectation into a videogame. Despite how upset I am that this game ended in a way that I sometimes imagine my own life will end up, reading these comments, and seeing that there are other people that understand what I have felt, it does bring me comfort. Seeing this game end in a way true to how I have felt many a time during the course of living with depression, it really moved my deeply. I appreciate this game so much in its totality. It is not for everyone, but it was worth my time.
your really friendly buddy May 23 @ 5:21pm 
Tell the truth at the end i felt nothing no feelings of sympathy no depression just a realization that this not that abnormal. people live life like their is another or after death they'll go to heaven so the one thing i got out of this is "why kill myslef today when i can masterbate tomorrow".
Ranty Rantington May 29 @ 4:58pm 
In the middle of the game I thought "This guy is gonna be happy at the end :D" and "The moral of this game/story is that you are not completly helpless" but nop. The moral of the story is to not be this guy.
Mr. Wonder May 29 @ 7:54pm 
To be completely frank, the game's ending was very satisfying, even though it was just a one was street. At least he's free now. That's what I think,
DirePostmodernist Jun 19 @ 9:29pm 
There was a line at the end, something along the lines of not needing to fight anymore...
It broke my heart.

I don't think depression ever really goes away. You just get better at fighting it over time. Seeing someone kill themself is like being in a war and watching the soldier next to you crawl out of the trench and walk towards the enemy. And you just want to scream "keep fighting, damnit."

The ending made me want to grab the main character and anyone else who may be looking in this thread after finishing the game and say this to them, without the intention of shame or guilt:

Keep fighting, because you are worth it.
Vymaanika Jun 20 @ 7:01am 
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