Claydster6 Mar 26 @ 6:26pm
Tips for noob?
I do enjoy this game tons, but seem to constantly be dieing and unable to get many kills. I use the Lord of Dekain charcter the most. Also, This is my first time playing this genre of games. Ive been playing against bots every know and then to help myself get better but doesn't seem to help when fighting against real humans. Any tips will be helpful, thanks
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manny the OBEY veric Mar 26 @ 6:39pm 
Hey Claydster6!

Think of a lane engagement as a back and forth dance of sorts. Click and move constantly. Don't stand still and attack.

If someone rushes towards you, run back to the safety of your tower. They are probably running ahead to cast an ability on you!

Prioritize low health minions and try to get the last hit on them so that you (and nearby teammates) can get gold.

You can see the tower range by the arrows/helmets on the ground. If you hear an interesting noise and see the crosshair targeting you, the tower will hit you!

Be careful not to hit an enemy hero within an enemy tower's range. If you hit a hero, the tower will prioritize you instead of any nearby friendly minions.

Go top or bottom lane with a partner, middle is usually for solo players.

Select glyphs with O. Glyphs can be upgraded every 3? levels or so.

Don't overcommit and go in too deep, enemies may be waiting in the brush for an ambush.

Try your best not to die. Be safe and hug a tower if no teammates are nearby. Dying gives the enemy gold and XP, and enough deaths lead to a great advantage for them.

You can read more Basic, Intermediate, and Advanced tips here:

http://soada.wikia.com/wiki/Basic

http://soada.wikia.com/wiki/Intermediate

http://soada.wikia.com/wiki/Advanced

Edit: Don't get too disheartened. A lot of these players are either Founders or Dota/LoL veterans. Everyone has to start out somewhere. Eventually in time, you will learn more and more and be a viable asset to any team! :)

Also note that most players can tell when a player is new. These new players tend to be targeted and taken out first. Just be cautious and play it safe. If anyone is ever harsh to you in the chat, you can Mute them by holding Tab and pressing the box near their inventory. If bad behavior persists, you can report them at the end match by right clicking their profile picture.

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Items are also a big part of the equation. For a ranged character like Dekain they are in big part responsible for determining when you can stay, when you need to run, and what your own engagement strategy/limitations are.

If you go for an all-out Special Power item build then you're probably very fragile and need to pay extra attention to mobility, not getting in range of disables, etc. If you sacrifice some SP for tankiness you can stick in the fight a bit longer, taking damage for your allies and therefore diluting the enemy's overall damage, which helps party survival.

When on the offensive, try to agree with teammates on which target to go for. Many team fights are by one team focusing on targets, and effectively picking them off one at a time.
Claydster6 Mar 26 @ 7:02pm 
For the items, should i go with the recommended items or get my own? I dont know the items very well yet
Ekko Tek Mar 26 @ 7:04pm 
Until the population increases and matchmaking mmr takes over so that people are playing against sort of equal skilled players, it's going to be extra challenging for players new to the genre. In addition to Tug's advice, check out Oi's guide SoADA for Dummies in the Guide section and in general just keep at it both vs. bots and humans. Once the playerbase grows more and features get added (like replays and spectator mode, as well as tutorials and co-op), it should get easier for new players. Eventually some of the community veteran players will also likely offer mentor custom matches and such as time goes on for those that really want to learn the game. In the meantime, enjoy the learning process as much as possible - I've been playing for quite a while now and still feel like I'm improving my game and learning new things.
Edit: Manny, Tug, w/e - apparently I can't tell them apart sometimes!
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manny the OBEY veric Mar 26 @ 7:57pm 
Originally posted by Ekko Tek:
Edit: Manny, Tug, w/e - apparently I can't tell them apart sometimes!

What if we are the same person? conspiracykeanu.jpg
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ChibiCthulhu Mar 28 @ 8:37am 
Originally posted by manny the veric king:
Hey Claydster6!
Select glyphs with O. Glyphs can be upgraded every 3? levels or so.
You get 1 glyph point when you start and then 1 glyph point every 2 levels until you have enough points to max all your glyphs out.

Originally posted by Claydster6:
For the items, should i go with the recommended items or get my own? I dont know the items very well yet
If you're not sure which items to buy then go with recommended. But you should definitely make your own builds that suit your play style. I can't make any suggestions about that though, because I like to change my builds based on which enemies I face and how I want to play my hero for that match. Sometimes I go glass cannon (focus only on damage) and sometimes I mix up damage with defense.

If you get focused a lot in the match I'd suggest going for items that will give you survivability, if not just get more damage. Really depends from match to match.
Claydster6 Mar 28 @ 9:39am 
Ive been going with health, mana, health regen and mana regen. i can get up to about 8 mana regen and 25 health regen with extra health and mana.

I also have a question, when you pick your hero and go to the "edit hero" to place stats, i saw '/' and 'X' on some of the squares, do they do anything?
ChibiCthulhu Mar 28 @ 9:46am 
Originally posted by Claydster6:
Ive been going with health, mana, health regen and mana regen. i can get up to about 8 mana regen and 25 health regen with extra health and mana.

For Dekain you can get Glacial Staff and then go full SP for damage. Glacial should give you enough HP and MP that you wont need other items for that. You can also get that Shroud something item that gives you SP and MR in case enemies have a lot of SP heroes or Revenguard that gives you SP and Armor as well as damages enemies whenever they hit you.

Originally posted by Claydster6:
I also have a question, when you pick your hero and go to the "edit hero" to place stats, i saw '/' and 'X' on some of the squares, do they do anything?

As far as I know the "/" means that you only get half the stats for points and "X" means you get 1/4 of the stats for points placed there.
manny the OBEY veric Mar 28 @ 12:19pm 
Originally posted by Claydster6:
I also have a question, when you pick your hero and go to the "edit hero" to place stats, i saw '/' and 'X' on some of the squares, do they do anything?

Here's an unofficial breakdown of them:

http://steamcommunity.com/app/251970/discussions/3/540736781072652839/
Winterclaw42 Mar 28 @ 1:32pm 
1. Focus on farming to begin with.
2. Then start learning when and how to trade.
3. Look at guides for other MOBAs, most core principles apply here.

EDIT: start at the one labeled lecture 1, then go to 2, etc, and ignore the character specific stuff this guy talks about.

http://www.youtube.com/user/unswlolsoc/videos?view=0&flow=grid
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Winterclaw42 Mar 28 @ 1:51pm 
Originally posted by manny the veric king:

Think of a lane engagement as a back and forth dance of sorts. Click and move constantly. Don't stand still and attack.

Pretty much this. To get better, think about where you are and when you are doing things in the dance.

If someone rushes towards you, run back to the safety of your tower. They are probably running ahead to cast an ability on you!

Depending on the situation, sometimes it is smart (avoid fights you know will kill you) but this can be bad to awful advice other times. Giving up free damage (getting harassed without harassing back) is bad. Also this lets you get zoned hard which will lose the lane for you if you don't do anything about it. Also if it is a skill shot, you are better off dodging to the side than running away in some cases.

If the other guy is lower levels than you or has worse items, you might be giving up a chance to kill him.

IMO if you want to get better, you need to test your limits. So hit him back, dodge SS and AOE if possible, and if you fail, try to figure out why.

Prioritize low health minions and try to get the last hit on them so that you (and nearby teammates) can get gold.

This is critically important to doing well. Doing this well keeps you in games, not doing this well loses you games.


Edit: Don't get too disheartened. A lot of these players are either Founders or Dota/LoL veterans. Everyone has to start out somewhere. Eventually in time, you will learn more and more and be a viable asset to any team! :)

Also note that most players can tell when a player is new. These new players tend to be targeted and taken out first. Just be cautious and play it safe. If anyone is ever harsh to you in the chat, you can Mute them by holding Tab and pressing the box near their inventory. If bad behavior persists, you can report them at the end match by right clicking their profile picture.

Both of these things are correct. It's natural to get a little disheartened. So if that happens, take a break and come back.

So play smart safe (don't overextend, don't chase, ward up if there is a jungler, hug the tower if you must) and don't give up the lane without a fight.
Tug Mar 28 @ 8:34pm 
One thing I have started doing recently, I can't remember If I posted it in another thread or not, is not doing any damage to lane minions other than last hit. I find that by doing this you can manage to get a greater quantity of last hits because it is the only minions based focus, and also you save mana, and don't push the lane to far ahead too early, which can lead to ganks and tower related issues.

I prefer to keep the lane pushed slightly towards my own tower while farming lanes early game. Using the S key, you can position yourself and ensure that you don't start firing randomly. Having an auto attack cooldown ready for a last hit is probably the single most important thing for my play style in early game.

This method also greatly increases my lane sustain, especially if the enemy laners are focused on clearing the wave minions fast. I don't want to let his minions get too close to my own tower though, because then it starts eating away at my potential XP and gold earned.
Winterclaw42 Mar 29 @ 11:50am 
Good points tug.

Not pushing a lane is probably the best thing you can learn do as a beginner. Also, only use skills to last hit if you'd lose the minion otherwise. Being able to push someone to tower is a good skill to have, but learning to freeze a lane (keep the minion waves where you want them) is also very important.

I also use the press S to stop attacking, but some people feel more comfortable moving around back and forth. Find what works for you.
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