PantherLily Jun 4 @ 6:34pm
Thank you Devs!
I havent played the game for very long due to being Aussie so therefore the game can be very unbearable with the ping, but non the less i have kept this game installed, up to date and have kept my eyes on the patch notes.... and the forums!
Now i must say you Devs are among the most interactive Devs i've ever seen, and thats truly what every game needs, not only has your interactions with the community so much has kept mine and a few other mates interest in this game still, it'll keep the game going for a very looooong time!
Seriously thank you for that, you guys are one of a kind, keep up te good work!
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Awesome Gajeel Redfox!

I'll forward this to the dev team!

If you have any questions or concerns, feel free to ask away, and I will try my best to answer them.
Fyst  [developer] Jun 4 @ 7:00pm 
Thank Gajeel, its much appreciated! Hopefully, we can get you some closer servers sooner than later :)
PantherLily Jun 4 @ 7:02pm 
Haha, all good guys, i just really like with what your doing to the game and community!
Woo haha, ill be waiting ^.^
Tug Jun 4 @ 7:05pm 
Hey Redfox!

Thanks for the support :D The Ironclad label is what first got me to notice this game, and the communicative Dev team blew my mind, and I was sold. After a many months of working closely with these guys as a volunteer moderator throughout the beta and speaking with them every day, they hired me!

The Devs not only communicate, but they listen, discuss, and share. This truly makes them part of the community, and truly makes the community part of the development process. They play the game every day with the player base as to never be disconnected or out of touch. These are problems rampant with larger companies, but will never be a problem here.

Not only have they made my dreams come true by giving me the opportunity to work for my favorite game company, but they changed my life from a narrow path to a wide open pristine beach front, and have given me a sense of meaning. I mention this to reinforce the fact that they aren't just doing it for publicity, but because they actually care about the community and the product they are creating together.

Thanks again Redfox, and I hope to see you in game soon!
- Tug
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Slaig  [developer] Jun 4 @ 7:18pm 
Appreciate it man :) See you in the game!
PantherLily Jun 4 @ 7:27pm 
Aye i quite agree, when I saw Ironclad and "Sins of a Dark Age" I was instantly drawn to it and its safe to say i was not dissapointed. Sure the server side thing is a pain but 1. You cant really help it for a beta and 2. imo Australia is to blame for having such horrid internet connection to the rest of the world...
Wow, thats pretty awesome man ^.^ congrats for that! But yes I agree large companies have these problems, but so do smaller companies. To be honest you guys are the most interactive yet and its very much needed in todays gaming world and you guys hit it on the spot :D
Im so glad theres still companies with people like you around as todays gaming industry is getting worst
As i said before you guys are awesome, keep it up!
And you sure will see me in game! Once i get better ping :P
Vindeb Jun 5 @ 2:26pm 
I have to agree.

I will say this -- I played a bit of Heroes of the Storm last night amd I'd have to say that I enjoyed SoaDA quite a bit more. I'm a huge Blizzard fan and the game was great don't get me wrong. However, the whole time I played I was wishing it could be more like SoaDA. If HOTS had anything on SoaDA it's in the graphics department. Other than that it didn't compare imo. The special events on each map are basically Realm Quests, but only one per map (as far as I could see), and I really missed the items, glyphs, craftable items and skins, responsiveness of controls etc. So, thanks you Devs for this game and keep up the great work!!
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Appendix Jun 6 @ 4:58pm 
Played this a bit in last year and then it was so empty and UI was so incomplete and map felt so empty and like moving in ghost town in 2005 game. Now after seeing all these updates and how good community here is and all those long review's i think i'll buy this in a moment :)

I'll help to spread the word about this in every place possible and hope good success for this.

I wish good weekend and year 2014 for every Dev and everyone else @ Team
Please do not derail the thread. Steam Guidelines

Originally posted by Bonder:

Are you really that much of a coward and a bully that you have to piile on and sling insults at me in a locked topic to one of your new players & paying customers?

Do not insult developers or other players. Steam Guidelines

Originally posted by Bonder:
And this is how you decide to respond - to lash out, make childish remarks, and attack someone who thinks that your game should have the word "moba" in it's description. Class act.

As Rygel stated in this post here, MOBA/ARTS/Hero Brawler, etc. are all interchangeable. To the best of my knowledge, Dota considers itself and action strategy game. I am fairly sure the word MOBA does not show up on Dota's store page (other than the user descriptions.) There is also a user defined MOBA tag for Sins of a Dark Age as well.

Originally posted by Bonder:
And to answer your snarky remark, it didn't take 5 minutes to see that the game was deceptively marketed.

Multiplayer online battle arena (MOBA), also known as action real-time strategy (ARTS). Source[en.wikipedia.org]. The store description clearly states that Sins of a Dark Age is an action strategy game. For reference, "Dota is a competitive game of action and strategy," Source

Originally posted by Bonder:
I guess you guys have decided to make personal attacks and bullying the thing. So go ahead, lock it up and tell me why I'm such a ♥♥♥♥♥♥bag for buying your game, I screenshot everything.

In terms of personal attacks, reviewing the locked thread shows that you stated:

Originally posted by Bonder:
♥♥♥♥ you, just because you dont like what im saying, and you're the jerk who came in here trolling from the first 5 minutes I made this thread.

it's pieces of ♥♥♥♥ like you that give this community a bad name.

I do not see any personal attacks on Slaig's end.

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Slaig  [developer] Jul 9 @ 2:03pm 
Hi Bonder, I appreciate your support..for SOASE, SOADA, and your stand with us against the lawsuit! My real name is Craig Fraser by the way. I am one of 5 co-owners of ironclad.

I don't have anything personal against you and you are free to screenshot whatever you like. I don't have anything to hide. I linked to the post from a new post notification, so I wasn't even aware it was locked when I posted it (i have full forum rights). Every day I go through the new posts to stay in touch with the community.

While I understand you may be upset at some of the responses you received, and perhaps you were extra sensitive because my post was near the end, but it was hardly intended to be an attack. I stay as close as I can to the community, and while I could be wrong, I think there are more than a few players that can attest to my positive character and sincere effort to make all feel welcome. There are lots of nice players in the game, and community spirit factors into many of our development decisions. We don't want to be 'just another moba'. We want to do away with the baggage some people associate with the genre. We were all first time players at some point, including the developers.

My only request, if you are still interested, is to give the game a few hours of play so you can see all the unique features that make it a really fun game to play. If you need any help getting started, you can see dev names in red, but most players are pretty helpful too. If you still feel the genre just isn't your thing, that's cool too. I appreciate your support with sins of a solar empire.
See you around,
Craig

Ekko Tek Jul 9 @ 5:01pm 
Bonder - the devs and mods were pretty respectful, patient, and professional (as usual) in dealing with you. You didn't get a "crumby" response. It's just that most people felt you were making (and contined to make, in multiple threads) a big stink about a fairly minor, inane complaint (that they didn't use a word you wanted them to use to describe their game). It should tell you something that most people are not confused about what kind of game this is when they do any kind of checking (like even just the intro video on the store page - it even says MOBA in the user tags on the game page as well). Every now and again there is the odd drive-by complaint (like yours) but most people play at least a few games and offer some constructive criticism at least. You came off as over-reacting and attention-seeking over some minor detail and then just rude and entitled and throwing around personal attacks. And then you blame the devs, mods, and community of the game...from my perspective you brought the whole thing on yourself - beginning with the way you chose to title your first thread. Try reflecting on the way things went down and your part in it and you might see what I'm getting at.
PantherLily Jul 9 @ 8:18pm 
Well then, this was something quite crazy to wake up to. O.O
Exorcised Jul 9 @ 8:48pm 
I'm responding to your cross-thread trolling not because I think your verbal filth warrants any sort of respectful attention, but because I want others reading this thread to actually witness how non-confrontational we are when it comes to addressing even such toxic Steam users as yourself; for posterity's sake and all that, you see.

Put another way, the proof shall henceforth be "in the pudding," as they say.

Originally posted by Bonder:
Originally posted by Slaig:
Appreciate it man :) See you in the game!

Slaig [developer] 14 minutes ago
and this is your honest assessment after 0.8 hrs on record?

Are you really that much of a coward and a bully that you have to piile on and sling insults at me in a locked topic to one of your new players & paying customers?

His tone only changed after yours did. I'm pretty sure calling developers "d-bags" and telling them to "F_k off" elicits a different response from them than a simple "Hello" would.

Originally posted by Bonder:
Someone who, on YOUR behalf, has taken a stand against the people who filed suit against you? http://imgur.com/mIYe4OH

someone who has gone after them on YOUR behalf? https://twitter.com/bonder22/status/486696711495380992

Someone who supported Stardock and Impulse BEFORE they even had a steam account? Who enjoyed Rebellion + dlcs enough to take a flyer on your next project?

And in either case someone who has paid a few bucks to support your product.

First of all, your piddling Twitter followers and anonymous Steam sympathizers aside, you cannot claim legitimacy on the basis of past appeal. Sure, you supported Ironclad in the past, but that does not make you some sort of "exceptional" figurehead in future interactions with the company. All it does is build history between you and them, nothing less, but nothing more.

And if you want to compare purchasing history, I dropped $125 on the original Gold Founder's bundle when it was first available, and the developers have taken my criticism/suggestions on their game very well, even implementing them in a timely manner with no defensive excuses being made whatsoever. Take from that what you will.

Originally posted by Bonder:
And this is how you decide to respond - to lash out, make childish remarks, and attack someone who thinks that your game should have the word "moba" in it's description. Class act.

The term "MOBA" is a misnomer (even Call of Duty and Pokemon Stadium can be described as "multiplayer online battle arenas") used by Riot Games to (successfully, it unfortunately seems) distance themselves from the modding group that made the original DotA mod back when Pendragon-the-Backstabber was still a nobody, and Guinsoo was still unsure as to where his loyalties lay. Icefrog also had a shady past come out of those times, what with his involvement with S2 and all, but that only makes him as bad as everyone else already is, and that's if you believe everything they say about him.

Fast-forward to today, and DOTA 2's annual International tournament holds a whopping ten million US dollars (and counting) spread all throughout the bracket, although it never claimed to be anything close to a "MOBA," as the developers only describe it as "a competitive game of action and strategy." If DOTA 2 players can be allowed to "vote with their wallets" (something you also tried so pitifully to do above) it is immediately evident that millions of people all throughout the globe are perfectly fine with Valve not claiming Riot Game's laughable marketing ploy of the "MOBA" tag as their own, and for good reason at that.

Sure, the user-defined tags state that DOTA 2 is a "MOBA," but no one ever said that Steam users are the brightest lights in the room, you being an unfortunately self-exhibited example.

Originally posted by Bonder:
And to answer your snarky remark, it didn't take 5 minutes to see that the game was deceptively marketed. It took about 10 seconds. The rest of the time was trying to have some fun in a boring stalemate that went nowhere and provided little entertainment.

Ah yes, you being quite the unbiased critic that you are, eh? No personal agenda outstanding, whatsoever?

Originally posted by Bonder:
I guess you guys have decided to make personal attacks and bullying the thing. So go ahead, lock it up and tell me why I'm such a ♥♥♥♥♥♥bag for buying your game, I screenshot everything.

That's like Nixon framing the Watergate papers as part of his campaigning strategy.

Originally posted by Bonder:
I've already done my negative review for this game, with alllll my .8 hours. It's got about 10 comments in it so far about how moba communities are alwasy aholes.

Wisdom from the mouth of babes, if ever I've read any.

If only you could taste the irony here; it thickens the very air.

Originally posted by Bonder:
Go figure.

I'm having quite the fun time doing just that, if you could believe it.

Originally posted by Bonder:
Lol go ahead and hide behind steam moderators - if that's what you're about.

What the devs are "about" is appointing forum moderators to sift through heaps of ad hominem garbage so they don't have to, which is kind of the point of the position, no?

Originally posted by Bonder:
They have no power outside of steam, and if that's where I have to go to voice myself, it will be a lot less favorable. Picture that!

The devs here don't work for Valve. They co-own a million-dollar game development company, a regime I'm sure your three-digit Twitter army can help topple with Steam comments that you yourself have so helpfully screenshotted for everyone.

Originally posted by Bonder:
Unbelievable the amount of cowardice shown today.

And the stupidity too, make sure to mention that as well.

Originally posted by Bonder:
OH and this isnt a derailed post, it's a dev feedback thread.

I see it more as unhinged barking, but that's obviously my personal take on the entire matter.

Originally posted by Bonder:
Dev Appreciation = dev feedback. feedback about the devs. Get it?

I'm pretty sure he "got it," which is why he had a problem with you labeling it as such in the first place.

Originally posted by Bonder:
Lol moderators. Always making thing better right? You don't garner yourself a whole lot of respect.

Not like you, of course. You're the very epitome of cultured orator, and don't ever let anyone else tell you otherwise.

Take it easy, little guy. The rest of us are trembling at the very thought of crossing you, I swear it.
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Exorcised Jul 9 @ 8:51pm 
Originally posted by PantherLily:
Well then, this was something quite crazy to wake up to. O.O
:spacepony:

Welcome to the party ^^
PantherLily Jul 9 @ 8:58pm 
Originally posted by Exorcised:
Originally posted by PantherLily:
Well then, this was something quite crazy to wake up to. O.O

Welcome to the party ^^

Not sure if i want to lol, never expected my thread to turn into a battlefield :P
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