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Pipuk Oct 22, 2013 @ 11:23pm
Scammed ?
Do you think they launched the game knowing the ending was poor to get some money back ? I heard they fired all their developers and this is all they had done. They also had a kickstarter that never reached even 20% of its goal so maybe their just trying to grab what money they can ?
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Jimathus Grandi Oct 23, 2013 @ 12:16am 
I certainly wouldnt doubt it. Seems there are more and more devs using Steam as a dumping ground for failed projects clearly unfinished. The last 3 months have been very bad and Ive been with Steam 9 years. There were never this many and not as glaring as this. Swords of the Stars II was one of the worst, and first to dump its unfinished goods on Steam. Then well WarZ, and since there are no penalties, nothing stops them.
Grizam Oct 23, 2013 @ 6:32am 
Absolutely. Just read any dev response; fast talking con-man language everywhere.
Inco Oct 23, 2013 @ 9:42am 
Originally posted by Jimathus Grandi:
Swords of the Stars II was one of the worst, and first to dump its unfinished goods on Steam.

I'm not defending them, but they did work around the clock for well over a year to get SotSII functional.
Crackhead88 Oct 23, 2013 @ 2:21pm 
Valve needs to put their foot down good and hard with these developers.

The same goes for the ancient games from the 90's being marketed as new
and being sold for $10 and up but don't have Windows 7/8 support let alone
proper widescreen support.

There's been a flood of crap that belongs on GOG, not Steam.
you don't even know the game was made in the 90's unless you
read te description carefully.

The front page says, Released 2013, but if you scroll way down to the bottom
only then to you see.... created 1993

[SSA]lordpedrodark Oct 23, 2013 @ 2:38pm 
Originally posted by Crackhead88:
The front page says, Released 2013, but if you scroll way down to the bottom
only then to you see.... created 1993

There's a diference between release and create. That released date it's the date that when the game was officialy released at steam and not the actually release date of the game. Of course first, these games go to greenlight hoping to be voted for the official release at steam, so devs can hopefully get more ppl paying and playing their games.
Inco Oct 23, 2013 @ 3:02pm 
Originally posted by Crackhead88:
Valve needs to put their foot down good and hard with these developers.

The same goes for the ancient games from the 90's being marketed as new
and being sold for $10 and up but don't have Windows 7/8 support let alone
proper widescreen support.

There's been a flood of crap that belongs on GOG, not Steam.
you don't even know the game was made in the 90's unless you
read te description carefully.

The front page says, Released 2013, but if you scroll way down to the bottom
only then to you see.... created 1993

Quite a few retro games deserve a spot on Steam, as long as they fully support current operating systems. It's nobodies fault but their own if people aren't willing to spend five seconds to gloss over the screenshots and information readily available on the store page.
Crackhead88 Oct 23, 2013 @ 3:19pm 
Originally posted by Inco:

Quite a few retro games deserve a spot on Steam, as long as they fully support current operating systems. It's nobodies fault but their own if people aren't willing to spend five seconds to gloss over the screenshots and information readily available on the store page.

1) Screenshots mean nothing when there are a ton of games that ARE new but
were designed to look like an old game from the 80's and 90's.

Unless you know a game was made in the 90's you won't know it unless
you spot the date at the very bottom of the description because the top
date... the Release date says 2013....which can trick people into thinking
it is a retro style game made in 2012/2013.

There are several 90's games released on Steam that DO NOT have proper
widecreen support and are very unstable under Windows 7.

There is NOTHING in the descrption warning potential customers
that they are ancient games other then the original release date at the very bottom
of the store page.


PRICING: Charging $10 or more for these ancient games can also
lead to people believing they are new games made to look "Retro style"

Games from the 90's or early 2000's that may cause compatibility issues
with newer hardware and OS's should be clearly marked for what they are.



Steam is quickly becoming a dumping ground for old games and FAILED Kickstarter projects.


In this case (Dark Matter) The developer and Publisher put it here to
recover money they lost in a FAILED project which is NOT the repsonsiblity
of gamers to bail them out of their money problems.

DECEPTIVE marketing hurts gamers and hurts HONEST indi developers
who are struggling to get their GOOD and COMPLETE games on to Steam.



Here's an example of an CLEARLY mislabelled game.

http://store.steampowered.com/app/215790/?snr=1_7_15__13

Steam store says Release Date: 19 Sep 2012

This is WRONG. it was released in April 2008.


There is NOTHING that states otherwise.

The system requirements have also been changed from when the game was originally released.














Inco Oct 23, 2013 @ 4:25pm 
Originally posted by Crackhead88:
-snip-

Older games, even those without widescreen support, have as much right to be on Steam as anything else. There are hundreds, if not thousands of older games that hold up incredibly well even today.

Steam titles should never have major compatibility issues at the time of their release. New or old. This honestly should go without saying and I already mentioned this in my post. I'm not sure why you felt the need to reitterate it.

Steam's bizarre policy to only state a title's release date to the store should change. It's absolutely misleading, although in the case of Pinball Dreams 3D there shouldn't be any compatibility issues.

What the Dark Matter developers did was disingenuous at best. I'll never condone their practices and neither should anyone else. That said, the release of older (functional) titles to Steam seem irrelevant to what they've done.
Crackhead88 Oct 23, 2013 @ 5:16pm 
Old games with modern OS and hardware issues should be marked as such.

They should be under their own catagory so potential customers know what they are buying.

ORIGINAL release dates should be clearly marked so there is no confusion that the games
graphics are not deliberate to give a "Retro" feel, they are in fact old games with dated graphics.


CyberDown Oct 24, 2013 @ 8:44pm 
I wasnt even aware of this...got the game (needed a cheap platformer)

had no clue the game just cuts out half way...so yeah...not happy with that.

At least steam should give out some discount cupons or something...im typically not a complainer, but i do feel steam should at least make sure the games they sell are not scams...and i wouldnt have bought the game if it had the warning that it now has.
Crackhead88 Oct 24, 2013 @ 8:45pm 
Originally posted by CyberDown:
I wasnt even aware of this...got the game (needed a cheap platformer)

had no clue the game just cuts out half way...so yeah...not happy with that.

At least steam should give out some discount cupons or something...im typically not a complainer, but i do feel steam should at least make sure the games they sell are not scams...and i wouldnt have bought the game if it had the warning that it now has.


Steam is issuing refunds if you ask, they just aren't announcing they are doing it.
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