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ElokoMs Nov 9, 2013 @ 8:51am
Onaris - Sarino quest?
Who is the real merchant? You can ask the bandits about them, but they don't give a useful answer. How can I find out the truth?
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Alkylhaul Nov 9, 2013 @ 9:06am 
They don't give a real answer? You played that quest 3 times thus and therefore seen the outcome of all 3 options?

1. Dwarf says "......." (I don't remember sorry) ---> leads to fight
2. Onaris's order
3. Sarino's order
ElokoMs Nov 9, 2013 @ 9:28am 
Answer to second question is yes and third question is no. So which of the guys should I kill?
Enor Nov 10, 2013 @ 4:14am 
you know i killed one of them for the rare magic book reward. but i never got the book as a reward. possible bug i guess.
crpgnut Nov 10, 2013 @ 6:28pm 
Yep, same here. Killed the tramp for the book and never got the book. If that's the case, it will be better to visit the two sites and fight the battles instead. At least you get the armor from the corpses.
crpgnut Nov 11, 2013 @ 8:54am 
Hey Enor-When you visit the tramp does your map cursor go all weird at that one site? The cursor becomes reversed and hard to navigate for me, so I wonder if this might be related to not getting the book once the quest is complete. Weirder things have happened....
crpgnut Nov 15, 2013 @ 6:21pm 
The patch fixes this quest, but the spellbook is useless to any mages as it is ignisfaxis instead of ignisphaero. Both mages have ignisfaxis at the start so the book is only worth money. As I posted in another topic, this is the first truly idiotic quest reward in the game. You'll get twice the AP for siding with the tramp instead of the merchant. 20 ducats vs 100 AP is an easy call.
Bakuhatsu Mar 5, 2014 @ 3:03pm 
fwiw, just played this and got the book that teaches cold shock. It may be random.
steelcoresoviet Mar 5, 2014 @ 4:17pm 
I got cold shock as well.
It's relatively obvious who's who if you pay attention to their reactions. The Tramp sends you to deliver a message, whereas the merchant moves right to killing.

If Onaris survives, he asks Boron's forgiveness (for killing someone)
Sarino more or less treats it as the cost of doing business.
Josh Mar 5, 2014 @ 7:56pm 
You can know the answer by asking the bandits. He will tell you that the merchant is the one that tried to have the other killed, so that tells you he is the true bad guy.

Also, the reason the above posts are mentioning a different book is because this is a necro thread from November, many many patches ago.
Xaneorath Aug 14, 2015 @ 10:37am 
Actualy, I agree that the information from the bandits isn't really worth much. Let's consider they DO tell the truth. What they say is: "Onaris ordered to kill the merchant?" -> Yes; and: "Sarino ordered to kill the merchant?" -> No.

So let's consider the story of the tramp is true, and Sarino is in fact Onaris (and the other way around). That would make it easy (at first glance) to say that the merchant is the culprit. Why? Because the person standing at the merchant stall is (as Sarino said before) in truth Onaris. Adds up to Sarino-Onaris', AKA "the tramp" story of how he lost his wealth.

BUT let us also consider that Sarino is the "evil" one in that quest. Whoever says, that his story is even true? It might be just as Sarino says, and the Onaris-Onaris, AKA "the tramp" tried to give some thugs the order to kill his brother. It would completly add up to the story of Sarino-Sarino, being threatened by his sociopathic brother...
Oh, and by the way.. the story of tramp-Onaris might be "true" from his perspective too, if we consider him a sociopath.. it would be a metaphor for his own view on his life and his brothers fortune.

Honestly, I don't see the reaction of the bandits as any indication for making the "right" decision (which probably would be: kill neither).

So.. then we got various aspects of both sides behaviour.

We got the fact about "the merchant praying to Praios daily".
I do agree that the Merchant seems more shady, and the Tramp seems more like someone to pray to Praios on a daily basis, due to his more humble behaviour and the reaction of the merchant if you decide to agree to his assasination inquiry ("ssssht, not so loud!").
But honestly.. both don't seem too inclined to Praios. Its more likely the Merchant (whoever of those two that may be) just does that daily drill for Status.
In the end none of both "thanked Praios for justice served" or something, but rather stuck to Phex and Boron. Aventurian Deities more likely to fit to those two.

A really well made quest to think about. :)
Allthough I do miss the option to come back to either or both of them (after talking to the bandits) and tell them "forget it, guys.. you are both unbelievably shady. Merchant, keep your bribery and sort out these problems without murder. Tramp, go and build up your own life, instead of dwelling on whats lost."
Gondo Aug 15, 2015 @ 7:52am 
I killed the tramp and got the book when I returned to the remaining brother.
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