Jokubas Oct 7, 2013 @ 7:44pm
Disappointed - Advice Needed
I saw this game on the main page and it looked really cute, but I don't just buy things for the heck of it, even if they're cheap, so I tried the demo. It seemed fun enough, so then I bought it.

My enjoyment ran off almost immediately after buying it. I think the premise of the game is interesting, the art is cute, and overall it seems like it should be fun, but I keep finding myself frustrated.

I've been doing quests as I get them, but they seem to be getting harder faster than my tenants get powerful. I figured maybe I was moving ahead too quickly, but I don't know what else to do. If I'm not questing, I'll just get randomly attacked by increasingly harder enemies that only ever give me around five gold.

How do you actually progress in this game? The quests are getting too hard, and I can't imagine items being the solution, because if I'm not doing quests, I'm not getting money. My tenants don't seem to want to pay rents high enough to ever actually afford anything other than an Orange Desk.

How are you actually supposed to fight? Between the character collision and the spike damage that comes from magi and stuff, I find I'm fighting more with my tenants standing in stupid positions than I am fighting the enemy. I know my tank, my centaur, and my elemental couple can all hit a guy at the same time, but the stupid elemental husband likes attacking from his max range, leaving his wife to stand around like an idiot.

How does happiness actually work? Most of my tenants are happy, but I'm having issues with my conflicting types. I guess you're just not supposed to have both at all? What baffles me though, is that my elementals are perfectly happy, it's only the abyssal that will refuse to be happy no matter how much I pamper them.

Am I supposed to just cycle tenants and evict old ones as I get new monster types? That would really suck. I went into this game thinking it was half-sim half-tower defense, not just a tower defense with unique presentation. I don't have the heart to evict anyone. The only tenant I've lost was a Cheepy, and it was because they wanted to escape their debt.

I really hope someone can help, because right now I'm really disappointed in this game. I feel like I'm always just barely succeeding, with a gap that's getting smaller every time.
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Zero Oct 7, 2013 @ 7:48pm 
Make sure the tenants say "This room rocks!" and they will go up in happiness as long as you buy them stuff once in a while. It's best to hold out on quests at first until you get some good happiness, then you get that +10 bonus and start smashing the enemy.

The game is hard at first but it gets easier later on.
Quilla Oct 7, 2013 @ 7:58pm 
Yeah when I first started I got my butt whooped so I started over. Thinking I went too fast the first time I slowed down, got my butt whooped again, but slower.

Really the best thing to do is to do all available quests until you get to the part where you can upgrade but DON'T upgrade, there is a repeatable quest you can do forever until you do upgrade. Just do this quest over and over again until you are on your third or fourth generation of children, make sure you have 3 monsters in each room. That's a good pace to start with.
Jive Soul Bro Oct 7, 2013 @ 7:59pm 
I'll try to answer as best I can but if you're really hurting, try looking up one of the Let's Play on google, or reading the guide on GameFAQS.

Fighting is best done through blocking one enemy at a time as they climb the stairs. That's how you isolate the enemy troops. Just call forth your long ranged monsters first so they're really close to the action and can blast the adventurer repeatedly.

You're not supposed to have conflicting monsters; these monsters happiness will not go up, which will make leveling them up harder

Yes, you want to evict lower tier monsters for higher ones. Not only do they have higher stats, but they more often than not can pay more rent. But your money should really be coming from quests.

As a rule, Undeads are the bomb. Everyone loves the zombies, the Boneymushas are neat witch killers and Funtoms are great against Pirates and Ninjas.
Teapot Oct 7, 2013 @ 8:25pm 
Originally posted by Jive's Errant Soul, Bro:
Fighting is best done through blocking one enemy at a time as they climb the stairs.

yup i do that alot and it's a good strategy ^^

@Jokubas: Also check the group, i've put 2 sticky (made by Sandy) with really helpful informations, i hope it's help and you will enjoy the game.
Tanya Oct 7, 2013 @ 8:38pm 
The game is unsuspectedly hard, as most people probably expected something fairly casual and easy for the price.

The quests definitely get harder quicker than you get stronger, especially if you're not progressing well. But the random-event units do not get harder so you won't get overrun if you just wait until you're ready to continue.

The main ways of getting stronger are:
- Having your monsters breed and make offspring. Buy a Love Hammock bed for this and maybe use Love Balloons/Erotic Cakes to help if you sort your finances out. The hard part of breeding is making sure nothing happens to them - don't evict, let die, or run into debt your strongest monsters (unless you don't need them anymore). You kinda have to let them get away with murder.
- Raising their satisfaction... Make sure they say either 'This room rocks' or 'Not Half Bad' and they will just get happier over time. Only buy them what they request if it's cheap or you have lots of money to throw away. How they evaluate a room depends only on the room's quality - not what they can afford - so if the tenants don't want to pay much it's because the furniture sucks (or perhaps that it's not very well tailored to fit that particular monster). You will run into problems with monsters not being able to pay because of their jobs but not until a while further into the game, probably (except cheepies, they are a plague all the time).
- It's a shame but it's true that when you get new monsters they tend to pretty much always be stronger than the previous kind with a few exceptions. You get new species both by raising your reputation with that species (it tells you what you need to do to raise reputations in the bestiary for each kind) and completing particular quests. As the other guy said, undead is a really good species for most of the game so you could focus on that, but make sure you keep a variety as species that dislike you will stop arriving for a room altogether.

The fighting is a bit awkward, but the reason they stand at max range is so you can have a full line (melee<-midrange<-longrange<-superlongrange) but it's rarely efficient to do that. The easiest way to fight is to funnel them as they come up/down a stairway with a tank so that only one can get through at a time, and beat them with ranged units. You should get used to retreating a lot too. After that you can come up with your own strategies.

I don't know if you're supposed to have conflicting species co-exist because I never really tried, personally I just went with Elementals for the ridiculously strong tank class. I assume you're buying altars for the abyssals?

Learn to be more heartless! Evict crappy tenants and only take ones with good stats and good jobs. Though if you want some specific species, you will have to put up with the ♥♥♥♥ they give you (difficult requirements, poor rent etc) so it's up to you. I currently have 4 Q.P.Ds because they have insane stats, but they refuse to pay any more than 125G for a completely upgraded room (the rest of the tenants range from 600-1000 T_T)

It's definitely hard, but there are lots of strategies to use. That's what makes it a good game. This is probably my third game so far. I think really, the game doesn't explain all the nuances very well and you have to find a lot of it out yourself.

I hope it helps, anyway.
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Jokubas Oct 7, 2013 @ 9:36pm 
Those are some very useful replies. I recently learned about the stairwell strategy, but haven't really gotten used to taking advantage of it very well. Thanks everyone, I think I feel better about the game now. :)
Button's MILF Oct 7, 2013 @ 10:21pm 
Originally posted by Tanya:
Evict crappy tenants and only take ones with good stats and good jobs.

Scratch that. Every monster in the game is op. You just need to breed them to the point their kids will become demigods. Sure you will have to evict the parents for the kid to get a wife and get a even better kid.

One thing to know if you breed them is that you must not expect them to always pay the rent, I end up having more than 7 generations not paying rent the rest of the game, but their stats... wow.

You don't belive me? Here are pictures of the worst monster in the game (upgrated to demigod stats), killing the legendary hero, solo.

[If you don't want spoilers don't watch the links]

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Jokubas Oct 8, 2013 @ 1:21am 
How do I know how far I can push the rents?
Jive Soul Bro Oct 8, 2013 @ 5:02am 
Missions give more money than rent. And remember: the sole purpose of money is in raising the satisfaction of your tenants, so as to buff their abilities. So if you raise the rent to the point of unsatisfaction, then you lose the point of raising money in the first place.

Keep everyone at "rocks", until the monster's satisfaction is at "ecstatic" levels; then you can raise their rent to "decent" status (as long as they aren't struggling with the rent). The satisfaction bonus (the blue bonus) tops at +10. Make sure you don't confuse with the weather affinity bonus; that's something else entirely and that is added to the satisfaction bonus.
Recollection Oct 9, 2013 @ 1:03am 
I'm finding this surprisingly decent in terms of difficulty, still my first playthrough and I've upgraded to the 3rd floor. Before starting missions i make a 2nd save file before taking it and saving it in between waves, incase the mission is way too hard and kills everything i just reload back to my main save file when i didnt take the quest.

Back when i only had the 2nd floor i was making around 1000g+ from rent alone so for a while I just focused on making more babies for stronger monsters and was able to easily kill any of the random guys coming around.
Dunno if the lil weed elementals are always like this but i was able to almost max the amount of rent one of them was paying, she kept getting promotions so in a way she was making up for the money my zombies failed to bring in.

With tenants that are good in paying their rent i push the amount up so they say something like "Room is decent" and if they're getting promotions at work i go up again to "Room is meh" buuuut if i go up and they instantly go into debt i go back down to "Room is decent"

Always have melee based monsters as the first things they'd run into, in 1st floor i have the first 2 rooms with melee then ranged, 2nd floor i have a melee based monster right next to each staircase on the left and the right with ranged in the middle- depending on their speed you can sometimes send them out at the start of combat and sandvich them between the other melee from first 2 rooms on the ground floor.
Last edited by Recollection; Oct 9, 2013 @ 1:07am
Monkeygin Oct 9, 2013 @ 1:59am 
I think half the fun of any game is the challenge and whilst definitely challenging, this is far from the hardest game ever. Never give up! :)
Last edited by Monkeygin; Oct 9, 2013 @ 2:00am
Bugsy Oct 22, 2013 @ 7:57pm 
I would say breeding is one of the most important aspects, and in the very beginning, it is important to wait to do quests until you have a few generations of creatures. Certain types of creatures are better to have living there together, pay attention to which creatures it doesn't like to be around in the beastiary.

Make sure to save your game before starting any quest or building any expansions!
(I'm Hiding)You don't see me! Oct 23, 2013 @ 4:25am 
If your tennents won't pay rent- get rid of them. Your supposed to generate at least half of the money you get from rent. If you cannot beat a quest then don't quest, it is time to work on your apartment. You are not supposed to have confliccting monster types at the same time. I believe that this game is 70% apartment management sim and 30% tower defense.
rgfate Nov 3, 2013 @ 8:56pm 
Originally posted by Jokubas:
I saw this game on the main page and it looked really cute, but I don't just buy things for the heck of it, even if they're cheap, so I tried the demo. It seemed fun enough, so then I bought it.

My enjoyment ran off almost immediately after buying it. I think the premise of the game is interesting, the art is cute, and overall it seems like it should be fun, but I keep finding myself frustrated.

I've been doing quests as I get them, but they seem to be getting harder faster than my tenants get powerful. I figured maybe I was moving ahead too quickly, but I don't know what else to do. If I'm not questing, I'll just get randomly attacked by increasingly harder enemies that only ever give me around five gold.

How do you actually progress in this game? The quests are getting too hard, and I can't imagine items being the solution, because if I'm not doing quests, I'm not getting money. My tenants don't seem to want to pay rents high enough to ever actually afford anything other than an Orange Desk.

How are you actually supposed to fight? Between the character collision and the spike damage that comes from magi and stuff, I find I'm fighting more with my tenants standing in stupid positions than I am fighting the enemy. I know my tank, my centaur, and my elemental couple can all hit a guy at the same time, but the stupid elemental husband likes attacking from his max range, leaving his wife to stand around like an idiot.

How does happiness actually work? Most of my tenants are happy, but I'm having issues with my conflicting types. I guess you're just not supposed to have both at all? What baffles me though, is that my elementals are perfectly happy, it's only the abyssal that will refuse to be happy no matter how much I pamper them.

Am I supposed to just cycle tenants and evict old ones as I get new monster types? That would really suck. I went into this game thinking it was half-sim half-tower defense, not just a tower defense with unique presentation. I don't have the heart to evict anyone. The only tenant I've lost was a Cheepy, and it was because they wanted to escape their debt.

I really hope someone can help, because right now I'm really disappointed in this game. I feel like I'm always just barely succeeding, with a gap that's getting smaller every time. [I understand your pain, i almost quit playing a few times while trying to get my tenants to actually complete quests, but stick with it and with tips mentioned in this thread your monsters will be killing everything soon enough
St. Haborym Nov 6, 2013 @ 3:56pm 
breed stronger monsters
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