Unholy Heights

Unholy Heights

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Shiro Oct 6, 2013 @ 6:50pm
Rent and Quest Rewards need to be rebalanced
So if I have one problem with this game, it's that rent feels completely trivial. Why bother with caring who has and hasn't paid their rent when doing even simple quests merits a higher pay-out? Anytime I need to buy something for a tennant to keep them happy, my thoughts aren't "Well good, now I can raise their rent a little so that this will pay for itself, and then some". No, instead I think "Time to do some quests, because I'll never make that money back otherwise".

Now granted, I'm not saying that rent needs to be the ONLY income, but right now its so far off-balance that rent might as well not be a factor in the game. Quest rewards need to be reduced, and rent numbers need to be raised.
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St. Haborym Oct 6, 2013 @ 7:19pm 
Rent does seem kinda throwaway at the moment.
Zero Oct 6, 2013 @ 8:50pm 
Quests are limited in locations of gameplay and rent can get pretty decent on the 3rd floor level. It's a balance between free money and combat. You might not have the monsters that can even fight without risking one of them so rent does play a part.
CERBERUS ALPHA Oct 7, 2013 @ 1:28am 
Rent means you can just take your time and take quests at your leisure. You don't have to rush the progress quests and can instead just take it easy and breed tenents and work on reputation.
BenBarnes Oct 7, 2013 @ 2:38am 
The problem I have with rent is they wont pay it most of the time, I check every room almost constantly to build things they want and keep the rent level at *this room rocks* but they STILL refuse to pay, I even lowered it down so the bar is about 5% full and STILL they wont pay rent.

I've reached a stage where most room I don't charge any rent at all cos all it does is make them run away before I can level them up
.berserk Oct 7, 2013 @ 4:31am 
I have the problem that 6 out of my 8 guests dont have money for rent... -.-
VolOpt Oct 7, 2013 @ 6:13am 
my only problem with the rent has been when tennents inexplicably become unable to pay even the lowest rent short of setting it to zero. Without any corelation to their job. I had a CEO skip out after failing to pay rent after I had dropped it to like $50 in a very well furnished apartment that they were extatic about.

I could understant if they had been unemployed or had an otherwise dead end job but a CEO?

I really like this game but I'm having a hard time figuring out if anything it says actually means anything. Short of airconditioners that is, those actually seem to do what they say and serve a purpose.
Zahriel Oct 7, 2013 @ 6:43am 
I agree, there seems to be no correlation between the two. It's like the devs didn't really program that part of the game so well x)
GinKadia Oct 7, 2013 @ 8:46am 
Yeah. I had that problem with a couple of my tendents. It was werid. Some of them had no job and could pay and then the ones with the big titled jobs couldn't :S
And some of the families you don't want to kick them out because they have a child. ><
Plasma Soul X Oct 7, 2013 @ 12:54pm 
I love how you guys think they'll fix this... I'll add, this is a Japanese indie game...
Option Oct 7, 2013 @ 1:40pm 
This is surprisingly close to real life... Wanting more stuff but then not paying rent.

Don't forget, the game sets this all up right at the beginning by saying "The Devil spent his savings on a building in THE PROJECTS." It's supposed to be a kind of low-income housing sim on purpose.

At least in this game you can evict them at any time where in real life (at least in the US) most states have laws that protect tenants from being thrown out.

@Plasma Soul ...I doubt being Japanese or Indie has anything to do with rebalancing. He'll likely not rebalance the game because it's only a $4 game and it wouldn't be worth the time.
Scott Oct 7, 2013 @ 4:41pm 
Just keep supporting them. C'mon, it's not perfect, but it's $4, I've had hamburgers less satisfying. Maybe there will be a sequel/revamp someday.
Quilla Oct 7, 2013 @ 4:59pm 
I'm going for the achievement to kill the big guy when upgrading to level 2 so I still only have four rooms. I have a room with skeletons, one with those fish people and two with those demi-humans.

So far I haven't had a problem with them skipping out or being unable to pay rent, everytime I give them something they want I am able to increase their rent slightly. Right now one room is paying 150 dollars and the lowest one (the fish people seem to be poor) is paying 82 dollars.

In my previous games I had problems with people being unable to pay rent all of the time, this time around I made sure to kick someone out if they were unemployed because they were going to just leave eventually. Also maybe it works out better if you make sure to have a family living in a room instead of just a single monster. I actually make more money from rent then from the repeatable quest.

Just bumped the rent up for one room of the demi humans to 187 dollars. Gimmie that money!

If you really want to make some money with rent buy multiple symbols the occupants like. I just bought 3 treasure boxes for the demi-humans and bumped their rent up to 269 and they all say the room rocks.
Last edited by Quilla; Oct 7, 2013 @ 5:30pm
elderbury Oct 7, 2013 @ 6:08pm 
I agree. At 4th tier apartment I didn't even mind the rent. I put them all very low and nearly nobody had trouble paying up... I had so much money it didn't matter.
Tanya Oct 7, 2013 @ 8:53pm 
A little higher rent would be nicer so I didn't have to just sit there with the game on full speed for 5 mins to buy new stuff... I'd really like it if it showed you a timer for the next rent payments too.

The main problem is end game no one can pay anything. A fully upgraded room is around 3-4000G but nobody can pay even remotely close to that. So I decided to set the rent at mostly 1000G for everyone (except tight species) and I just evicted everyone until I had a load of people with very good jobs. It worked really well for a while, but they just keep dropping off. I will have CEOS, Respected Lawyers etc on 1000G for 5-6 segments, and suddenly they will become 500G in debt with no warning and go downhill fast. It's becoming really frustrating if they're not going to ever stay stable.
Last edited by Tanya; Oct 7, 2013 @ 8:55pm
Gambler75 Oct 11, 2013 @ 4:05am 
I have one of eight guys not wanting to pay rent, and another that was teetering on it (popped up once but has been fine since).

Few elements to consider:
- don't necessarily buy every room upgrade they ask for and improve the quality of the room beyond their means to pay for it.
- hover the mouse when a prospective tenant wants to move in ... if they're unemployed, paperboy, etc. - you have to keep that in mind re: room upgrades.
- be careful about spamming quests without a little down time in between, you can end up blocking them from going to work, and then they won't get paid.

I would like to add - as annoying as some might find having renters not paying their rent, if it was trivial to avoid it - then you've just killed a major balancing aspect of the management - in a management sim game. ;)
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