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grymwynd Nov 4, 2013 @ 11:26am
Has anyone read EULA? (Resolved: The EULA is gone.)
"If you connect to the Internet when using the Software, either through a gaming platform network, or any other method, Licensor may receive information from hardware manufacturers or gaming platform hosts and may automatically collect certain information from your computer or gaming unit. This information may include, BUT IS NOT LIMITED TO, user IDs (such as gamer tags and screen names), game scores, game achievements, game performance, locations visited, buddylists, hardware MAC address, internet protocol address, and your usage of various game features. All information collected by Licensor is intended to be anonymous information that does not disclose your identity or constitute personal information, however, if you include personal information (such as your real name) in your user ID, then such personal information will automatically be transmitted to Licensor and used as described herein. The information collected by Licensor may be posted by Licensor on publicly-accessible web sites, shared with hardware manufacturers, shared with platform hosts, SHARED WITH LICENCOR'S MARKETING PARTNERS or used by Licensor for any other lawful purpose. By using this Software you consent to the Licensor’s use of related data, including public display of your data such as identification of your user created content or displaying your scores, ranking, achievements and other gameplay data. If you do not want your information shared in this manner, then you should not use the Software."

While I understand some of these permissions are necessary to have live leaderboards it does occur to me that software that does just this is usually classed as spyware or malware.
I have put the 2 pieces of text i found most objectionable in capitals.
What does anyone else think?
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Death2106 Nov 4, 2013 @ 12:04pm 
spyware, plain and simple. I wouldn't want my information given away let alone taken without my permission and the simple fact that they put this in the EULA which practically nobody reads just says to me "they are taking advantage of people being trustworthy," and taking advantage of people. Good thing I always visit the forums first before purchasing a game! Thanks for saving me the pain of dealing with this!
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ForeverEntertainment  [developer] Nov 4, 2013 @ 1:55pm 
We used a standard Steam EULA. (You get to choose to upload your own or use the default one) There is no spyware or anything in the game. There is no tracking software and etc. and we certainly not sharing any info with marketing partners because we do not gather any. We just used the standard EULA because we are devs, not lawyers.
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grymwynd Nov 4, 2013 @ 2:37pm 
This is not the standard steam EULA but an extra one that pops up before allowing you to play for the first time, and is called Iesabel End User licence Agreement. The standard Steam EULA is agreed to prior to installation.
I don't know how you can say you do not share with marketing partners when the EULA specificaly gives that permission.
Danil Nov 4, 2013 @ 3:32pm 
Well...
This game use standart steam-EULA if not ask for any ACCEPT in game(before play).
I was surprised with Ubisoft games,because all Ubi games need accept ubi-EULA after I bought the game,if I not accept-I can not play,and I dont like ubi eula...

Anyway I dont care even with steam EULA,I use PC-for games,without any valuable information
ForeverEntertainment  [developer] Nov 5, 2013 @ 1:31am 
Originally posted by grymwynd:
This is not the standard steam EULA but an extra one that pops up before allowing you to play for the first time, and is called Iesabel End User licence Agreement. The standard Steam EULA is agreed to prior to installation.
I don't know how you can say you do not share with marketing partners when the EULA specificaly gives that permission.

As I told you we are devs and we do not have a huge team of lawyers hired and we are not lawyers ourselves. You're right it's not Steam EULA, I got it wrong. We took same standard EULA and changed the name of the company. I think that I have the best authority to say that we are not collecting any data and sharing it with any partners, but it's your right to think otherwise. Remember that having the permission ≠ using it.
grymwynd Nov 5, 2013 @ 2:31am 
I appreciate that you are devs but the EULA is a legal document. What you say
here is not legally binding. Despite having paid for this game I will not
Install it unless the EULA changes.
A_Squirrel Nov 8, 2013 @ 5:14pm 
Uh, this is bad. Thanks for the heads up!

Could someone please start a sh*tstorm on Reddit now, please? C´mon, I even said please .____.
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Ænima Nov 9, 2013 @ 3:23am 
Originally posted by grymwynd:
I appreciate that you are devs but the EULA is a legal document. What you say
here is not legally binding. Despite having paid for this game I will not
Install it unless the EULA changes.
Were you informed of the terms before your purchase? If not, there's a good chance you're entitled to a refund. That is, unless you're somewhere where EULAs can restrict your statutory rights...
Having said that, you should probably check the EULA for the operating system you're currently using. I'm pretty sure it's more scary than this.
Having said THAT, your comment is hilarious. It's like telling a car dealer that you don't agree with their servicing period after you've bought the car. Dude already got his payday, bro.
grymwynd Nov 9, 2013 @ 4:35am 
Unfortunately you don't get to see the EULA until you click play for the first time. When I read it I uninstalled the game but I guess a lot of players just click ok without reading and I thought It might be a good thing to point out exactly what is being agreed to here on the forum.
Telling the devs I would rather waste my money then agree to those terms is just to let them know how p*****d off I am. These kinds of overly intrusive EULA's are already common on smart phones and I think pc users should stand up and say we don't want them.
dTTb Nov 9, 2013 @ 6:45am 
I don't want those EULAs to be common practice anymore either, cheers for the heads up.
A_Squirrel Nov 9, 2013 @ 7:10am 
Originally posted by ForeverEntertainment:

As I told you we are devs and we do not have a huge team of lawyers hired [...] We took same standard EULA and changed the name of the company. I think that I have the best authority to say that we are not collecting any data and sharing it with any partners, [...] Remember that having the permission ≠ using it.

So, if I got it right that you´re the guy in charge here, please take care of the following steps:

  • Bi*chslap your current lawyers.
  • Hire competent ones.
  • Remove the offending/unnecessary parts of your EULA.
realkman666 Nov 9, 2013 @ 9:42am 
Thanks for the thread.
onitake Nov 9, 2013 @ 6:00pm 
Originally posted by ForeverEntertainment:
As I told you we are devs and we do not have a huge team of lawyers hired and we are not lawyers ourselves. You're right it's not Steam EULA, I got it wrong. We took same standard EULA and changed the name of the company.

I agree with you that a game developer (moreso a small one) should not have to bother with legalese too much, but please bear in mind that every developer has to take some care how he licenses his software and/or services to their customers. Just copying a standard EULA and posting it up somewhere is not good practice and could even get you into trouble if someone really hates you. At the very least, your EULA might not be legally binding at all.

Also: Just claiming any rights you can possibly get is not good practice and might deter some customers from buying your products.

I strongly suggest you revise your EULA and remove everything that doesn't apply to you, your product and your services, then have it checked by a lawyer in your company's country of residence. This might cost a bit, but will give you legal security and could even save your butt in case anyone tries to come after you.
Four Horseman Nov 10, 2013 @ 10:59pm 
Paranoid much
Teodosio Nov 11, 2013 @ 4:32am 
Originally posted by Four Horseman:
Paranoid much
Probably yes but better safe than sorry
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