m€troStar83 Apr 16 @ 12:05am
Not available in your region/country...why Sega?
Sega why you don't release "Typing of the Dead" in German Steam Store? It is very annoying for me and many others that this game is not available in Germany including all DLC's. I was forced to buy the main game in Sega UK Store, but I will also buy the DLC's on Steam. I haven't any clue, what the reason(s) is/are.
Yeah I know that the standard game "The House of the dead Overkill" which is included in this game is "indexed" in Germany, but doesn't mean "banned" or something like that. Only minors arent allowed to buy those games only ppl above 18...this is fact.

Here are some other facts in Germany.

1) In general in Germany digitally copies DON'T need USK rating ONLY RETAIL/physically copies (which is obviously not the case with TTOTD) which means you can follow the path of many other publishers to offer your game without any lawful consequences.
There are too many other games which are uncut and available in Germany.

2) "Typing of the Dead" is a standalone and completely new game which DOES NOT conclude automatically that this game is "indexed".

3) By the way the iOS Version House of the Dead Overkill is available in German App Store but censored (green blood). There is no need to cut/censor this game, beacause iOS games also dont need USK rating ONLY RETAIL/physically copies. So please make update with red blood.

So please adapt your games distribution policy especially in Germany. Thank you very much.

Sorry for my English.




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[HS]=>®omano Apr 16 @ 12:21am 
As far as I know Germany is really stupid country regarding to ban or censor of video games. I know that because I sometimes buy and gift game to my german friend because their steam german version is censored or cutted. I think the problem is not from the editor, but from your country and association regulating video game industry. I think editors dont want to make censored or specific version for this or this country it is more work for them and they only do that if the country law force them.
daMüller Apr 17 @ 2:03pm 
just buy it via amazon.com and unlock via us vpn
no shame
DarkChaplain May 21 @ 11:15am 
Originally posted by HS=>®omano:
As far as I know Germany is really stupid country regarding to ban or censor of video games. I know that because I sometimes buy and gift game to my german friend because their steam german version is censored or cutted. I think the problem is not from the editor, but from your country and association regulating video game industry. I think editors dont want to make censored or specific version for this or this country it is more work for them and they only do that if the country law force them.

Negative. Most devs/publishers censor preemptively to try getting a lower (as in, 16+) rating rather than adult only. Only in rare, very specific cases, are censorships necessary (like removing swastikas). However, if a game gets listed, you may not be allowed to openly advertise it with big marketing campaigns in germany - you can still sell and own it, though. Of course, that's something they'd like to avoid.

So no, they don't just do it when german law forces their hand - they do it because they're not willing to take a risk; even when the risk is ridiculously low, and the outdated laws that may snap in place in the worst case aren't likely to hold up if only anybody had the balls to challenge them in court, which would then prompt a reform, which everyone would benefit.

No, they'd rather play it extremely safe, even going further with their cuts than they'd in any way have to
Nanashi May 21 @ 1:06pm 
Originally posted by DarkChaplain:
Negative. Most devs/publishers censor preemptively to try getting a lower (as in, 16+) rating rather than adult only. Only in rare, very specific cases, are censorships necessary (like removing swastikas). However, if a game gets listed, you may not be allowed to openly advertise it with big marketing campaigns in germany - you can still sell and own it, though. Of course, that's something they'd like to avoid.

So no, they don't just do it when german law forces their hand - they do it because they're not willing to take a risk; even when the risk is ridiculously low, and the outdated laws that may snap in place in the worst case aren't likely to hold up if only anybody had the balls to challenge them in court, which would then prompt a reform, which everyone would benefit.

No, they'd rather play it extremely safe, even going further with their cuts than they'd in any way have to

that's still a problem of our country. i can understand that the devs/publishers don't want to waste their time/money in court for sales in ONE country when most of that country will import it anyway(with a few exceptions of region locked games). would be a different story if USK finally would be removed/destroyed/do whatever you want with them as long as I don't have to hear anything from them ever again. that organization is the root of all evil...
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DarkChaplain May 22 @ 12:12am 
Originally posted by Nanashi:
Originally posted by DarkChaplain:
Negative. Most devs/publishers censor preemptively to try getting a lower (as in, 16+) rating rather than adult only. Only in rare, very specific cases, are censorships necessary (like removing swastikas). However, if a game gets listed, you may not be allowed to openly advertise it with big marketing campaigns in germany - you can still sell and own it, though. Of course, that's something they'd like to avoid.

So no, they don't just do it when german law forces their hand - they do it because they're not willing to take a risk; even when the risk is ridiculously low, and the outdated laws that may snap in place in the worst case aren't likely to hold up if only anybody had the balls to challenge them in court, which would then prompt a reform, which everyone would benefit.

No, they'd rather play it extremely safe, even going further with their cuts than they'd in any way have to

that's still a problem of our country. i can understand that the devs/publishers don't want to waste their time/money in court for sales in ONE country when most of that country will import it anyway(with a few exceptions of region locked games). would be a different story if USK finally would be removed/destroyed/do whatever you want with them as long as I don't have to hear anything from them ever again. that organization is the root of all evil...

I disagree that the USK is the problem. The problem is that politicians don't even want to accept certain games being let through the process. I remember that the Dead Space 2 launch was delayed in Germany for quite some time because a bavarian politician refused to accept the 18+, no cuts USK judgement - prompting at least SIX re-checks of Dead Space 2 before they agreed to a compromise of having the multiplayer's friendly fire removed.

The USK is just rating games, the problem is with how old, outdated laws seem to enforce it, and how external influences try to manipulate ratings. The USK also doesn't censor, but the fact of the matter is that certain adult only games can't be advertised as they normally would be, due to how german law works - and in my opinion, putting a stop to advertising extreme violence on free tv isn't a bad thing. The bad thing is that it only seems to apply for games, with the rest of the media having no such qualms about showing off gore and sexual content on screen.
m€troStar83 May 22 @ 5:44am 
@Dota Sucks

you can buy this game now on German Store:

http://store.steampowered.com/sub/38774/

It is on sale currently Main Game including 3 DLCs ( -66 %)
Hurry up!

Have Fun :-)
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cinedine May 22 @ 2:38pm 
Originally posted by DarkChaplain:
I remember that the Dead Space 2 launch was delayed in Germany for quite some time because a bavarian politician refused to accept the 18+, no cuts USK judgement - prompting at least SIX re-checks of Dead Space 2 before they agreed to a compromise of having the multiplayer's friendly fire removed.

You should really brush up on your knowledge about the USK. For starters the story above is partly wrong - every game is only allowed 3 trials - one regular and up to two objections from the publisher. The first three for DS2 were pre-release versions to gauge how it will turn out.

Digital games are not under required to be tested by the USK - right. But that also means that they're not able to get a 'USK 18' which means no further evaluation by the BPjM and therefor the impossibility to be index'd.
Since index'd games may not be advertised or be on open display its infact breaking the law to make them visible / available for Germans. This also includes media which include the index'd media.
DarkChaplain May 22 @ 2:50pm 
Originally posted by cinedine:
Originally posted by DarkChaplain:
I remember that the Dead Space 2 launch was delayed in Germany for quite some time because a bavarian politician refused to accept the 18+, no cuts USK judgement - prompting at least SIX re-checks of Dead Space 2 before they agreed to a compromise of having the multiplayer's friendly fire removed.

You should really brush up on your knowledge about the USK. For starters the story above is partly wrong - every game is only allowed 3 trials - one regular and up to two objections from the publisher. The first three for DS2 were pre-release versions to gauge how it will turn out.

http://www.golem.de/1101/80725.html

Bereits nach fünf Prüfdurchgängen hatte die USK dem Horrorspiel dieses Logo verliehen. Dann wurde - nach Widerspruch des bayerischen Sozialministeriums - eine sechste Prüfung nötig, die nun aber nur eine Bestätigung der früheren Beschlüsse gebracht hat.

They did 5 runs, then bavaria requested a sixth check, which confirmed the judgement they had already made before then. Six total.
cinedine May 22 @ 3:29pm 
Originally posted by DarkChaplain:
They did 5 runs, then bavaria requested a sixth check, which confirmed the judgement they had already made before then. Six total.

Ah right, a little off myself.
2 pre-release which the second turned out to be USK18 after the cuts in MP
1 regular which refused rating
1st EA objection which again was refused rating
2nd EA objection which granted USK18
Bavarian intervention which seconded the USK18 rating.

Sadly all I find now is the EA statement on this, but I remember reading about the whole story in a report. But afterall, it's more of EA's fault for that many trials - if it got USK18 once officially there is little reason to re-evaluate for both parties ;)
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Jossy Jun 1 @ 1:37pm 
Wow, and I thought Germany had moved on from its book-burning fase? There could be some dangerous ideas which oppose our views in these video games, let's regulate / censor / ban all video games ! And you are right, whenever I turn on ZDF or RTL or whatever there's always a movie with naked boobs playing at night. Why so hypocrite?
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Gao Li Jul 2 @ 8:38pm 
Hey, Deutsch. Wie geht's? Okay, back to English to be respectful to the others:

Thing is that getting that thing through the German rating system actually is cost & time intensive. If you are a company, you have to wager whether or not it is actually worth it. Despite The Typing of the Dead being a fun idea, it probably seemed too expensive to get past the politicians.

Originally posted by Jossy:
Wow, and I thought Germany had moved on from its book-burning fase?
First off, it's spelled phase, second off, this has nothing to do with book burnings. The primary reason why certain games don't make it to Germany was to prevent Nazis from being joked about. The Nazis are a serious matter, & a very large amount of Germans feel that games like Wolfenstein or Sniper Elite treat this subject in a manner that is disrespectful to all those who have died because of them. Since you are from Israel, you probably wouldn't want this topic to be treated as a farce either.

Apart from that there's the aspect of violence; Not just the Germans, but many countries e.g. Australia, are concerned about the display of violence in video games, & its longterm effects it may have. There are quite a lot of studies on that matter by now, but frankly, research just started, so there are no conclusive results & there won't be any for the next 20-30 years (coz that's how long it takes to see what consequences it has on humans).

The Europeans deal with violence in the media rather harshly, while the portrayal of nudity is far less of a problem. In that respect it's somewhat the reverse USA. Especially the Germans try to stay away from games depicting individuals performing violent acts on to others, & for very obvious reasons. Whether that is the correct way of dealing with things or not is a different matter, but their motivation is clear. And you, as an Israeli, should understand that.

And why you can't nudity is also very simple. For starters, you cannot ban nudity from TV because it's obscene, but at the same time tell children that nude people on paintings & statues are art. Additionally, there is the element of emancipation. Thirdly, believe it or not, the overwhelming majority of German children go to bed at 8PM, this is why adult programs can start at 10PM. Also, naked boobs in ZDF are highly unlikely, unless it's an art film, or a sex ed. program. But neither are very common on government owned TV stations.
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