Assetto Corsa

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Hadji Oct 20, 2014 @ 10:27am
Racing sim... Yeah right...
Car models are great. Tracks are great. But the racing experience vs AI in 'career mode' sucks hairy exhausts! If this is a RACING sim how come no normal racing rules apply? You get a penalty for AVOIDING a collision but you get no penalty whatsoever if you slam into another car on the track. Which the AI drivers do all the time. Makes sense... To be honest there is less hell-driving in NCG:Wreckfest...

And the AI drivers must live under different laws of physics than me. Braking while taking a corner at high speed? Really? Must be some magnets under the AI cars. Speaking of corners, whats up with the screeching tires? I can take a corner in 60 kmh with my BMW 745i without the cry of Valkyries. So how come a Z4 can't take a corner in 50 kmh without this ridicilous sound effect?

Last but not least: are races vs AI scripted? Just for fun I restarted a race on Nürburgring 4 times in a row and the AI cars took EXACTLY the same path and made EXACTLY the same mistakes everytime. Surely this must be some sort of WIP feature?

Don't get me wrong. I like Assetto Corsa. I have been along since the early playable builds. But in the current state all hope lies with Multiplayer.

*end rant*

Cheers!

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magicmazuma Oct 20, 2014 @ 10:36am 
WIP indeed ..

First time for Kunos having a go at implementing Ai. There previous title (NetKarPro) was Multiplayer only. Wish Kunos would have a talk with the guys over at Reiza Studios though .. GSC has some pretty awesome Ai. Would be awesome to get simulair quality in AC.
FootboxG Oct 20, 2014 @ 10:44am 
Personally, I haven't had any of the trouble you described. Might be due to the fact you are exagerating a little there.

The AI aren't perfect don't get me wrong but the AI has actually improved from what was once an incredibly shocking state. Again, not perfect but it's currently good enough for me to have a blast with a full field of GT3 cars around the Ring's GP circuit.

But to answer what I believe was a question hidden behind that post is yes. The AI is still WiP and will be improved over time as with the rest of the game. The version says 1.0.0 but it is a release candidate, not full version as of yet.

I can't remember and I can't get on to check because I'm downloading the recent update but isn't there a sound modifier for tyre's? When pushing a real car to the limits of grip, depending on the car, the sound is actually quite loud. At least in my experience. Can depend on the sound proofing obviously.

Lastly, no idea about scripted races but I haven't noticed anything like that.
AV ON Oct 20, 2014 @ 10:45am 
I love AC but it's a poor racing sim. So much is missing from a racing perspective- poor AI, no jump starts, no flags, no pit limiter/pit stategy/ pits at all in sp. To be honest its still missing some basic driving sim features too, cant stop and start the engine, the stall mechanic is just bizzare, cannot map stuff like abs/tc etc to a button box.

I have hours and hours in this but Im getting bored to be honest.
Hadji Oct 20, 2014 @ 11:04am 
Originally posted by TheRavenHD:
Might be due to the fact you are exagerating a little there.

Perhaps a LITTLE... :D
WykedInsanity Oct 20, 2014 @ 11:44am 
the bs ai rams me hard if im winning
Hadji Oct 20, 2014 @ 1:53pm 
The AI rams me even if I'm not winning... Funny thing is that I always spin out of control when the ram me but they keep on going in a straight line, almost not losing any speed.
IMPERIAL Oct 20, 2014 @ 2:25pm 
Originally posted by magicmazuma:
Don't get me wrong. I like Assetto Corsa.

From your tone it seems that you don't like AC at all.
Last edited by IMPERIAL; Oct 20, 2014 @ 2:27pm
Matt [Linux] Oct 20, 2014 @ 2:27pm 
The AI is really bad.

And yes, for the white nights out there, I have seen the improvements made over the last many months. But that still doesnt change the fact that the AI are still terrible(especially when compared to competitor products, rF2 and GSCEx).

I spend 2 hours last night racing AI in AC, I maybe managed 2 races out of 10 in which i didnt get wrecked by AI, or at least given a smashed windscreen from the slightest tap at the start(on my rear bumper btw). Or being treated to a dispay of the most hilarious dance routines these AI perform when they find themselves behind another damaged AI. It quickly degenerates into a bloody Conga line !!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Which yes, means I can leisurely drive past all of them, but where is the fun in that ????????

I thought to myself, I must be doing something wrong, Ill try another sim.

So I loaded up rFactor 2 at Mid Ohio with the Megane Trophy, a 20 car race, and ran for over an hour on a rainy track without a single incident. All the AI were giving me a really good challenge without being suicidal. A little aggressive maybe, but thats because I set them that way.

Kunos have never done AI in there sims, maybe its not their strongest area of expertise.

But people telling them "Its fine for me", when they know full well its pathetic when compared to other sims are not helping the continued improvement of AC!!!!!!!

Critisism is how these sims improve. Without it they are just glorified arcade games!!!!!!!!!

Id say on an AI scale from 0 - 10, the results are:

- R Factor 2 = 8
- GSCEx = 9
- Asetto Corsa = 4 (on a good day, 2 on a bad)

I really do think they should contract someone with more experience to work on the AI, I play almost exclusively offline single player vs AI in all the Sims.

So for me all AC is at this point in time is a nice looking hotlap sim. I only try the AI every update for a few hours to see whether improvements have been made. And again, I acknowledge, yes they have improved a lot. But they still have a huge way to go in this area.

Also, dont get me started on Multiplayer, that is a whole different story, but thats not Kunos's fault, its just full of idiots who ram all day, and think the race is won on the first corner. Bound to happen with it being on Steam ;)

Hadji Oct 20, 2014 @ 3:02pm 
Originally posted by IMPERIAL:
Originally posted by magicmazuma:
Don't get me wrong. I like Assetto Corsa.

From your tone it seems that you don't like AC at all.

Thought I was pretty clear but I can repeat the essentials:

* Cars are great <- see, I'm positive
* Tracks are great <- see, I'm positive again
* Racing vs AI sucks

And since this is supposed to be a racing sim it's kind of bad that parts of the racing is pretty lousy. Does it makes AC as whole bad? No. Can it be fixed? Probably. Do I still like AC? Yes, as long as I don't have to race vs AI.
Last edited by Hadji; Oct 20, 2014 @ 3:03pm
Talkie Toaster Oct 20, 2014 @ 3:11pm 
I tend to just forgive most of the faults like no flags and whatever as it is still technically in early access, BUT, the AI is totally bizarre.

Some races the AI are fine and I'd even go as far to say they are fun to race against, but in other races they are easily the worst AI of all time.

From what I gather the online side of things is still fairly useless too so that does get pretty annoying when you want to do more than just drive around by yourself.
Last edited by Talkie Toaster; Oct 20, 2014 @ 3:12pm
Nomac55 Oct 20, 2014 @ 3:17pm 
Originally posted by AV ON:
I love AC but it's a poor racing sim. So much is missing from a racing perspective- poor AI, no jump starts, no flags, no pit limiter/pit stategy/ pits at all in sp. To be honest its still missing some basic driving sim features too, cant stop and start the engine, the stall mechanic is just bizzare, cannot map stuff like abs/tc etc to a button box.

I have hours and hours in this but Im getting bored to be honest.

ctrl a
and ctrl t
is the bond keys for tc and abs fyi lol
Nomac55 Oct 20, 2014 @ 3:18pm 
and the physics and FFB with a wheel like 27 are so close to life it blows my mind thats what keeps me coming back. all my years of drifting in RL and now a game has hit that spot so good i love it.
SeriousSpy Oct 20, 2014 @ 3:29pm 
It has bad AI and career mode, therefore it's not a racing sim?

Okay... right, whatever you say.

I wonder how good the AI is on all those F1 team's personal sims...
Bigbazz Oct 20, 2014 @ 4:03pm 
To be fair it is more of a driving sim than a racing sim. On the racing side AC is pretty primitive, there are no methods to simulate real life rules or regulations, practice sessions or qualifying sessions, there are no flag rules in place or real world penalties, no real world racing series is being simulated.

In addition to that we have very unrealistic fake penalties that can turn a small mistake into a big accident, and double punish a driver for going off. if they existed in the real world would cause dangerous accidents to happen by taking away your full control of the car (because it stops you from using the throttle). We also have AI that cannot yet use pit stops, so we can't have proper length races outside of multiplayer.

On the other hand the cars and tracks are beautifully modelled and the physics engine and driving is arguably the best in the business. What we actually have with Assetto Corsa right now is a driving simulator, not a racing simulator.
Doyefeellucky Oct 20, 2014 @ 4:20pm 
Originally posted by El Hadji:
Racing sim... Yeah right...

When in close racing I find the AI just swerve out of the way now, just like they did when you selected 'no collisions' on the pre-RC version- not exactly sim-like, but suitable for a video-game.

I actually prefer this current AI to any previous ones. However, It's still frustrating the non-existent understeer of the AI cars(certain cars) in slow corners. No matter what I try I can't keep the same line and speed of the AI cars- costing me 0.5+ seconds a lap on the 2 circuits I've been driving(Magione & Mugello).

It's still good and I'll keep playing, now it has a bit of game structure in the shape of a career mode.



It's very easy to over estimate the quality of simulation on offer because of the over enthusiastic recommendations of some of the forum members.
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Date Posted: Oct 20, 2014 @ 10:27am
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