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Bilateralrope Oct 11, 2013 @ 9:51pm
Is there a better solution to master castle puzzle 5 ?
At the moment the solution I'm attempting involves getting a frozen portal block to the far right of the room. Then pushing a frozen block to it and, before that block reaches the end
- Teleporting to my portal block
- Placing a new portal block on that square
- Moving out of its way

I simply can't move fast enough to pull it off.

Is there a solution that would be eaiser to pull off ?

If this is the only solution, then it seems out of place as every other puzzle I've run accross was easy to implement once I figured out what I needed to do.

Even worse, look at the walkthrough video in the guide section (http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=163649858#-1). Note how it glitches out a bit and has Ittle sitting inside the frozen block for a bit.
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Shane Oct 15, 2013 @ 4:23am 
It's a terrible puzzle. Shame on you devs.
Bilateralrope Oct 16, 2013 @ 1:07am 
Does anyone have a saved game that has that puzzle marked as done, but none of the later puzzles, so I can attempt them myself ?

Or a guide on how to edit the save files myself to cheat past this one.
hs5rb Oct 17, 2013 @ 10:04am 
That's how I did it. It might help to memorize the button sequence rather than the action sequence (in this case, right left s a up-left). I've gotten stuck in the block too :)

I hope it's not too much of a spoiler, but this isn't the only puzzle where dexterity is required.
Bilateralrope Oct 17, 2013 @ 10:58am 
Originally posted by hs5rb:
That's how I did it. It might help to memorize the button sequence rather than the action sequence (in this case, right left s a up-left). I've gotten stuck in the block too :)

That doesn't help me.

I hope it's not too much of a spoiler, but this isn't the only puzzle where dexterity is required.
Are any of them anywhere near as bad as this one ?

hs5rb Oct 17, 2013 @ 9:14pm 
In my opinion puzzle 12 in the master cave is harder.
Footissimo Oct 31, 2013 @ 1:49pm 
Gotta say, this puzzle has put a dampener on a good game for me. Thankfully it's optional, but it does seem a weird decision to put it there when it's more about dexterity than working out a puzzle.
Cleroth Nov 18, 2013 @ 6:38pm 
Before insulting the devs you should search a bit more on how to do the puzzle which doesn't involve exploiting a bug...
There's a really easy way to do it.

*** SPOILERS AHEAD ***
Destroy the topmost block, push a frozen teleport block toward the rightmost area. Push the remaining block a little to the left. Go on the top left, and shoot the corner wall toward the right with the frozen wand, then with the teleport wand. Go back down, freeze the block, and just as the teleport missile is about to reach you, push the frozen block and go toward the teleport missile. Once you've teleported on the other side, you'll have plenty of time to place another teleport block right where you were, and then go up. The rest is easy.
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Bilateralrope Nov 18, 2013 @ 6:57pm 
Originally posted by Cleroth:
Before insulting the devs you should search a bit more on how to do the puzzle which doesn't involve exploiting a bug...
There's a really easy way to do it.

*** SPOILERS AHEAD ***
Destroy the topmost block, push a frozen teleport block toward the rightmost area. Push the remaining block a little to the left. Go on the top left, and shoot the corner wall toward the right with the frozen wand, then with the teleport wand. Go back down, freeze the block, and just as the teleport missile is about to reach you, push the frozen block and go toward the teleport missile. Once you've teleported on the other side, you'll have plenty of time to place another teleport block right where you were, and then go up. The rest is easy.

Over a month later you come in, accuse me of insulting the devs and not doing the resaerch. All for a solution that:
1 - Wasn't available anywhere. I know, I looked. If you want to accuse me of not researching it, go find me somewhere where your solution was posted that existed when I made my post.
3 - Is still a timing 'puzzle' solution. Only it's a worse one because, along with having to do the stuff over on the right quickly, I also have to time when I push the ice block so I can then catch the teleport beam.
3 - Doesn't help. I tried it. It didn't give me any more time to do what I needed to do over on the right than the other solution. Maybe even less time as, even when pulled off perfectly, moving up a square to catch the teleport seems slower than turning around and bouncing the teleport bolt off a pre-iced wall that I'm standing right beside.

How did I insult the devs ?
Because I'd really like to know your reasoning for that accusation so I can apply that reasoning to your post.
Cleroth Nov 19, 2013 @ 12:36am 
I was talking to Shane about the 'insulting' the devs part. Or I should say denigrate.

1. By research I meant playing the game and looking for the solution. Granted... it's a pretty tough one to find, but there's probably a less intuitive puzzles ahead, with none of them requiring extreme dexterity/timing.

2. I never looked on how to do the solution to any puzzle, but while I was figuring out this puzzle, I tried what people tried here. Needless to say, it didn't work even after a dozen attempts, at which point I thought there must be some other way to do it, since the devs wouldn't be so stupid as to create such a close-timed puzzle. That's until I found the solution and did it in the first go (I have done the master cave three times, and this solution has worked for me every time on the first or second go). So unless you're really, really bad at timing it, you must be doing something wrong.

3. I can't for the life of me understand how moving a few mm up to catch a missile that is already there would be slower than shooting at a wall. The animation takes far too long. And that's partly how I found the solution—by thinking of a way to go to the other side faster. I'll post a screenshot, just in case you got something wrong...

http://i.imgur.com/NJRxEJa.jpg
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Zongo Jun 30, 2014 @ 2:55am 
I agree totally Bilateralrope. This puzzle is a nightmare and it lessen my pleasure with this game. It's been around 40 times i tryed it without been able to succed (and i think PC is probably not the easiest to do it, as keyboard arrow keys are definitly not the best control to be fast in all these directions). And from what i readed on the net where are far from been the only ones with this opinion.

I'll give it 20, 30 more tryes.. and i'll give up the Master Cave if i still can't do it.
Last edited by Zongo; Jun 30, 2014 @ 2:55am
Cleroth Jun 30, 2014 @ 4:08am 
Sigh. I'll just upload a video soon.
Smilehoho Jun 30, 2014 @ 4:23pm 
you can suggest better solution to solve suck puzzle.
but puzzle itself still sucks.
I came with exact idea myself. but I didn't really think that's a real one and continuously think more than 2 days. and my face after I saw 'walkthrough' was 'WTF? really?'

if you can't bring up 'Basically different way to solve this puzzle'
Bilateralrope is still right.
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Cleroth Jun 30, 2014 @ 9:38pm 
Just because you suck at solving it the way it was meant to be solved doesn't mean the puzzle sucks. Honestly if you can't solve this puzzle you won't be able to beat the master cave, so whatever, just go home.
Smilehoho Jun 30, 2014 @ 9:44pm 
Originally posted by Cleroth:
Just because you suck at solving it the way it was meant to be solved doesn't mean the puzzle sucks. Honestly if you can't solve this puzzle you won't be able to beat the master cave, so whatever, just go home.

Are you dev or something?
Now you are insulting me assuming 'I am SUCK at this puzzle' for no reason.
I am pretty sure you even not read my whole comment and bring up that insult cause of single '2 days'

It's pretty funny one raging fan defending a game that everybody in the world say 'THAT PUZZLE IS SUCK A*S'

you just insulted me cause you can't rebuttal my point with reson. what a pathetic child.
Go home and suck you mama tities and GROWN UP.
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Cleroth Jun 30, 2014 @ 9:51pm 
Oh, you want reason? YOU insulted the game in the first place, after being shown how to do the puzzle step by step (in my comment, not that stupid video).
So tell melogically, oh mature adult, why does the puzzle suck?
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