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capirex Aug 29, 2013 @ 9:50pm
Performance differnce factory vs satellite bike
Is there a performance gap between the repsol honda and the Gresini rc213V? I would like to start a career in Motogp and do not want to go thru moto3 and 2. My options seem to be limted to monster tech3 yamaha and the Gresini bike. I have no intention of using crt bikes.

Thanks
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ILlIcIT Aug 30, 2013 @ 11:35am 
If its got a factory name, "ducati gp13, yamaha yzf m1, honda rc213v" there all the same Kawi is were it goes down hill
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BOT Opie Sep 1, 2013 @ 10:12pm 
Originally posted by IlLiCiT:
If its got a factory name, "ducati gp13, yamaha yzf m1, hondar rc213v" there all the same Kawi is were it goes down hill

This guy doesn't know what he's talking about.

When comparing the factory to the satelite team you need to consider that the factory bike are always going to be a bit faster. There's no Kawi in this game so I don't know what the hell he's talking about. I went with the tech 3 bike over the gresni bike and I'm now with the factory repsol team.
ILlIcIT Sep 2, 2013 @ 5:53am 
First off rick let me correct you. Your a m*ron, get your facts straight before replying to any question or ANSWER in the motogp forums. Theres no difference between the factory and satelite bike BESIDES STICKERS!. St bikes have their own sponsors thats why they look different then the factory bikes. One last thing NGM is a kawi, crt but its still a Kawasaki. Dont believe me http://caberz.wordpress.com/2012/03/27/moto-gp-2012-difference-between-factory-bikes-versus-satellite-bikes-versus-crt-bikes/ (Now hold my nuts) dont squeeze just hold
Originally posted by Rickdaddy:
Originally posted by IlLiCiT:
If its got a factory name, "ducati gp13, yamaha yzf m1, hondar rc213v" there all the same Kawi is were it goes down hill

This guy doesn't know what he's talking about.

When comparing the factory to the satelite team you need to consider that the factory bike are always going to be a bit faster. There's no Kawi in this game so I don't know what the hell he's talking about. I went with the tech 3 bike over the gresni bike and I'm now with the factory repsol team.
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BOT Opie Sep 2, 2013 @ 6:17pm 
You're a ♥♥♥♥♥, the differences aren't just the stickers. For example look at LCR, Tech3 and so on. They're running different exhaust systems and suspension parts. If you wanna get even more technical then shiet, even the gas tank on the factory M1 bike's are different from the satelite ones. In terms of the game, if you run the exact same setups on the same tracks, the factory one is always going to be a little bit faster. Just because it has a kawi engine doesn't mean it's labled as a Kawi since the frame, swing arm, and everything else is provided by FTR.

So yes, in the game there IS a performance gap when comparing the repsol team to the gresini.

Originally posted by IlLiCiT:
First off rick let me correct you. Your a m*ron, get your facts straight before replying to any question or ANSWER in the motogp forums. Theres no difference between the factory and satelite bike BESIDES STICKERS!. St bikes have their own sponsors thats why they look different then the factory bikes. One last thing NGM is a kawi, crt but its still a Kawasaki. Dont believe me http://caberz.wordpress.com/2012/03/27/moto-gp-2012-difference-between-factory-bikes-versus-satellite-bikes-versus-crt-bikes/ (Now hold my nuts) dont squeeze just hold
Originally posted by Rickdaddy:

This guy doesn't know what he's talking about.

When comparing the factory to the satelite team you need to consider that the factory bike are always going to be a bit faster. There's no Kawi in this game so I don't know what the hell he's talking about. I went with the tech 3 bike over the gresni bike and I'm now with the factory repsol team.
select_21 Sep 2, 2013 @ 6:19pm 
Originally posted by Rickdaddy:
You're a ♥♥♥♥♥, the differences aren't just the stickers. For example look at LCR, Tech3 and so on. They're running different exhaust systems and suspension parts. If you wanna get even more technical then shiet, even the gas tank on the factory M1 bike's are different from the satelite ones. In terms of the game, if you run the exact same setups on the same tracks, the factory one is always going to be a little bit faster. Just because it has a kawi engine doesn't mean it's labled as a Kawi since the frame, swing arm, and everything else is provided by FTR.

So yes, in the game there IS a performance gap when comparing the repsol team to the gresini.

Originally posted by IlLiCiT:
First off rick let me correct you. Your a m*ron, get your facts straight before replying to any question or ANSWER in the motogp forums. Theres no difference between the factory and satelite bike BESIDES STICKERS!. St bikes have their own sponsors thats why they look different then the factory bikes. One last thing NGM is a kawi, crt but its still a Kawasaki. Dont believe me http://caberz.wordpress.com/2012/03/27/moto-gp-2012-difference-between-factory-bikes-versus-satellite-bikes-versus-crt-bikes/ (Now hold my nuts) dont squeeze just hold

True stuff. Also, the only thing Kawi about that bike is the engine. That Chassis and other parts aren't from Kawi.
ILlIcIT Sep 3, 2013 @ 5:40am 
Even when i have the link WOW.. But if you and select believe so will run them and ill show you lmao.


Originally posted by Rickdaddy:
You're a ♥♥♥♥♥, the differences aren't just the stickers. For example look at LCR, Tech3 and so on. They're running different exhaust systems and suspension parts. If you wanna get even more technical then shiet, even the gas tank on the factory M1 bike's are different from the satelite ones. In terms of the game, if you run the exact same setups on the same tracks, the factory one is always going to be a little bit faster. Just because it has a kawi engine doesn't mean it's labled as a Kawi since the frame, swing arm, and everything else is provided by FTR.

So yes, in the game there IS a performance gap when comparing the repsol team to the gresini.

Originally posted by IlLiCiT:
First off rick let me correct you. Your a m*ron, get your facts straight before replying to any question or ANSWER in the motogp forums. Theres no difference between the factory and satelite bike BESIDES STICKERS!. St bikes have their own sponsors thats why they look different then the factory bikes. One last thing NGM is a kawi, crt but its still a Kawasaki. Dont believe me http://caberz.wordpress.com/2012/03/27/moto-gp-2012-difference-between-factory-bikes-versus-satellite-bikes-versus-crt-bikes/ (Now hold my nuts) dont squeeze just hold
ILlIcIT Sep 3, 2013 @ 6:44am 
As for your lcr i just ran it im +400 behide my fastest time on seca with my gp13. Funny thing i wasnt trying lol.
BOT Opie Sep 3, 2013 @ 9:06am 
Jesus Christ, you're going to use a blog to back up your claims? Seriously, you even watch motoGP brah? Factory teams will always have the advantage over satelite teams due to them getting new parts waaaaaay before the other teams along with a stronger support. Different sponsor stickers is not what seperates them.
Gucio Sep 4, 2013 @ 4:07am 
Very good Rick, you have right. Factory bikes in real life was a little bit faster and in game MotoGP 13 factory was a little bit faster too, from satelite bike. I always be faster on Repsol Honda from LCR Honda, and I always be faster on M1 Rossi or Lorenzo, from M1 Cruthlow and Smith... Rick have absolutly right
ILlIcIT Sep 4, 2013 @ 8:52am 
http://ultimatemotorcycling.com/2013-brno-motogp-bradl-tops-friday-practice/ Proof in the bag..
http://www.motomatters.com/news/2010/02/05/honda_factory_and_satellite_bikes_identi.html old news but still valid. http://www.motogp.com/en/Results+Statistics/2013/USA/MotoGP.I know about the parts but everyone runs different parts new or old like when rossi was with ductai completely different bike from haydens. On a real note dont for once sec tell me stefan is a better rider then dani. The satelite bikes are the same no question and cruthlow has prooved that countless times as well as spies (2010) but i hate spies (chump) lol. @Rossi your not running the bikes correctly no offence dude. Its like everyone choosing honda and the m1 thinking there the fastest bikes lol. If milestone had this game inorder Honda(Late braking,Tight Corning) M1(Corner Speed) Ducati(Acc Out Of The Corners). Youve got to remember im running a ducati in game and many people dont use it thinking its slow or something ive got 4 top runs on this game with it one is with the satelite bike (seca). Mind Over Matter
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Nightbringer Sep 9, 2013 @ 10:20am 
Late braking is down to the rider not the bike, Honda has the corner speed and the exit speed as well as holding a tight line, Yamaha is good at entering corners and holding the line but fail in the exiting out, lack of acceleration.
ILlIcIT Sep 10, 2013 @ 7:51am 
You didnt listen or watch last weeks race did ya bud
Nightbringer Sep 10, 2013 @ 10:59am 
I've been watching MotoGp for 12 years and never missed a race, if you talking about the last lap that was down to Marc leaving the door open a fraction plus Jorge taking a big risk. Did you notice how quick the Hondas caught up to Jorge at the begining, did you even see how tight Marc and Dani was to the rumble strips and how quick they got out of the corners compared to the Yamahas, Jorge managed to stay in front for so long because he defended his line.
ILlIcIT Sep 11, 2013 @ 10:17am 
No what the commentary said.. And if im not mistaken right as he said it they had an aerial view of jorge and marc's hitting a right hand turn where jorge kept the speed through the turn and marc braking late into it. But as for the acc we all know the honda spits on the yamaha personally i ride a older honda 900RR.. and ive ridden a newer r1. No way in hell is the acc the same lol. Mine is also modded and yes i know its not gp but the principle. Honda has always won in thos specs unless were talking zx10 or the new king bmw's 1000rr.
tigereyezz Sep 13, 2013 @ 4:43pm 
Originally posted by Nightbringer:
I've been watching MotoGp for 12 years and never missed a race, if you talking about the last lap that was down to Marc leaving the door open a fraction plus Jorge taking a big risk. Did you notice how quick the Hondas caught up to Jorge at the begining, did you even see how tight Marc and Dani was to the rumble strips and how quick they got out of the corners compared to the Yamahas, Jorge managed to stay in front for so long because he defended his line.

Same here but following for 17 years and only got a handful of races missing, been to Assen and Sachsenring, Brno multiple times.

Judging the two dominant bikes in the current MotoGP-season, I come to the conclusion, that on at least 70% of the tracks the Honda turns out superior. As you guys already mentioned it's basically about the M1s ability to get through 'open' corners and the Honda's speed advantage on straights, intermediate sections and getting out of tight corners, which mixes extremely well with that risky braking and cutting-into-corners-style of M.Marquez.

Leaving Rossi and Pedrosa out of the discussion (Rossi maybe too old and 'wise' to really risk his bones anymore...who knows...and Pedrosa having to ride at his limit to even TRY to keep pace with a rookie...), it comes down to the ultimate question:

Who's the better rider by NOW: Lorenzo, with all his experience, his titles, his ability to produce really good lap-times one after the other, rarely making any mistakes, however having to ride a bike that's clearly inferior to the Honda at this date (and for the rest of the season...c'mon, Sepang? - Honda. Motegi? - Honda. Phillip Island? - Honda. - Last 'Yamaha-chances' were Silverstone and Brno...)

On the other hand you got a rookie, who has shown skill and his special talents in the 250-class, however a prototype Moto-GP-bike is smth different. I am especially amazed at his abilities to get the bike through almost-highsiders or slides, no matter what speed or angle. Talentwise, maybe the best up to now. However, what he does, trying to push his own limit again and again...he was already more then close in Mugello. That one was nasty and CLOSE. Most talent and superior bike.

I'd love to see them on mostly even bikes, Stoner/Lorenzo-like, ah did I already say I miss Casey in there? :( He tried the new Honda for next year at Motegi, but apparently he is gone for (his own) good.

Not sure what next season will bring, I'm afraid it will be more of the same, don't think you can close that speed-gap anytime soon, guess Yamaha's happy for now they got that seamless gearbox up and running - let's see for how long. ;)

Anyway, next season will also bring new CRT-packages, Aprilia will offer leasing of an improved version of their A RSV4 for maybe less than a million per bike/season...LCR might post a second bike next to Bradl's aswell, though Lucio is trying hard to get sponsors atm.

If Marquez doesn't do anything stupid, he will take that Rookie-MotoGP-Championship, it won't be that 'easy' in his 2nd season I guess. The DORNA will also be interested to keep a certain 'balance' twitching the rules, they are bound to keep both of the big two factories happy and interesting in competing...we've seen it all b4.

With motorsports world- and classwide in a rather declining state, money- and spectatorwise, smth they would absolutely love to avoid is a boring, dominant season with winners finishing 20 secs ahead of the rest at the end. Again, we have seen it b4.
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