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nabbed 30. zář. 2013 v 2.01 dop.
Ghost is part of "rogue-like?"
I cannot force myself to play a game with a time limit. I am sorry, I just cannot.
I know, I aready paid for the game. But I wish it was explained to me beforehand that it wasn't.'

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Nyphila 30. zář. 2013 v 3.21 dop. 
cool story bro
Plot Seeker 30. zář. 2013 v 3.32 dop. 
Nyphila původně napsal:
cool story bro
I know right, it made me question the meaning of life!
katanatommy 30. zář. 2013 v 4.11 dop. 
A little research before buying saves you tons of cash...
Tenshi 30. zář. 2013 v 6.06 dop. 
ghost is not time limit, her AI is very dumb. she basicly just slowly follows you around. and you are like 8 times faster than she when running. if you cant outrun her its not fault of the game.
Naposledy upravil Tenshi; 30. zář. 2013 v 6.07 dop.
lexilogo 30. zář. 2013 v 10.28 dop. 
1. No, the ghost is not a traditional trait of rogue-lites/likes.

2. You can easily avoid it if you know what you're doing.

3. The time limit is actually quite reasonable. What were you going to do with that extra time exactly? There would be a ton of items that would be totally broken if there was infinite time. Need evidence? Go to the worm level (the ghost doesn't appear on that level because it is larger and harder than most) and kapala farm for a bit. It's very easy, and if you know what you're doing and spend a large amount of time, you can get a LOT of health there.
Tenshi 30. zář. 2013 v 10.52 dop. 
to be honest ghost is broken by itself as it makes normal gold you pick up pretty unimportant thus breaking point of a game a bit. but its definitely not time limit.
lexilogo 30. zář. 2013 v 11.40 dop. 
Angel CZ původně napsal:
to be honest ghost is broken by itself as it makes normal gold you pick up pretty unimportant thus breaking point of a game a bit. but its definitely not time limit.

I feel ghosting should give your high score some kind of mark, so getting a high score without ghosting would be a truly fantastic achievment.
Twinge 30. zář. 2013 v 8.56 odp. 
nabbed původně napsal:
I cannot force myself to play a game with a time limit.

Are you saying you refuse to play Super Mario Bros. as well?

I understand the desire to play carefully and think things out, and certainly enjoy a variety of games in that realm (e.g. FTL). However, time limits aren't inherently a bad thing, and it fits well for the game. Also worth noting is that it's a soft time limit - the ghost takes a few seconds to actually come out and moves around very slowly. You can avoid it indefinitely witha jetpack, or manuever around it with ropes, Spring Shoes, Climbing Gloves, etc.


Card Counting Asshole 1. říj. 2013 v 12.22 dop. 
If the ghost keeps you from playing the game, this game wasn't for you in the first place.
SomeUnregPunk 1. říj. 2013 v 12.47 dop. 
Twinge původně napsal:
nabbed původně napsal:
I cannot force myself to play a game with a time limit.
Are you saying you refuse to play Super Mario Bros. as well?

as well as most official sports like basketball....

Radioactive 1. říj. 2013 v 9.12 dop. 
No, the ghost mechanic is not typical of rogue-likes, but Spelunky isn't your typical rogue-like.

The ghost is a necessary mechanic and is one of the primary factors that encourages a newbie to get better at the game. Without the ghost, many of Spelunky's biggest threats could be waited out. As your skills improve, the ghost gets dramatically less threatening, to the point where it flips to the other end of the spectrum and becomes a useful tool for high-score runs.

Required reading for new players that bought Spelunky expecting something else, especially the section about the "time limit": http://spelunky.wikia.com/wiki/The_Ghost,_Permadeath_and_You:_Coping_with_Misunderstanding_Spelunky
Le pute d'achievements 1. říj. 2013 v 3.35 odp. 
Slood 4. říj. 2013 v 7.15 dop. 
You dont really need to spend so much time on levels, just move along and there will be no ghosts. It may be hard in the beginning but when you get better at the game mechanics you will understand.
Discrider 5. říj. 2013 v 6.36 dop. 
Spelunky isn't a rogue-like.
Hence the time limit and heavy emphasis on platforming skills.
This is why the experience you want, which is charateristic of a rogue-like and IMO its sole defining feature, cannot be found in this game.
But people have abused the term too much, and so rogue-like gets closer and closer to meaning nothing.
Tenshi 5. říj. 2013 v 6.40 dop. 
Discrider původně napsal:
Spelunky isn't a rogue-like.
Hence the time limit and heavy emphasis on platforming skills.
This is why the experience you want, which is charateristic of a rogue-like and IMO its sole defining feature, cannot be found in this game.
But people have abused the term too much, and so rogue-like gets closer and closer to meaning nothing.

roguelike characteristics are random levels and absolute death einstein.
it has nothing to do with platforming.
Naposledy upravil Tenshi; 5. říj. 2013 v 6.40 dop.
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