W0Lf94n9 Jun 20, 2014 @ 5:10pm
"Should I Buy This Game?"
The sale is on, so people might be looking for helpful information.

In short:
If you played and liked Amnesia: The Dark Descent, then A Machine For Pigs is worth the $5.
If you have never played any Amnesia title, and/or you want to experience the horror/scary game genre, then A Machine For Pigs is most certainly NOT worth $5, nor is it worth playing as your first introduction to the genre. Buy Amnesia: The Dark Descent instead; you will not be disappointed, and you'll have a better measure of what actually makes a scary game...scary.
If you don't like scary games, and you don't like challenging games, and you do like Victorian-era stuff, then you'll probably like AMFP.
If you like Dear Esther, then you'll like AMFP.

In long:
I wish I had paid $5.00 for it, as it is moreso a fair representation of the use-value this game has to offer. I was very disappointed with Amnesia: A Machine For Pigs, but my disappointment had everything to do with the price I paid for it ($20). On sale, I would recommend it to anyone who enjoyed Amnesia: The Dark Descent. It's worth $5.00 just to see how badly one developer/"artist" could misinterpret the value of another developer's work (as AMFP was not developed by Frictional, something I personally wish I had been aware of prior to purchasing it). Or you could try to imagine how the people at TCR must have double-talked their way through whatever contact they had with Frictional throughout development. Or you could look up the definitons of "game" and "narrative" and learn something about how marketing works. Or you could appreciate the shortsightedness of an indie developer calling anyone who purchases mass-manufactured goods a "pig", as well as the irony behind such a statement.

My own assessment of the value of AMFP goes as follows:
new virtual environment to wander around in : worth $1
new story to hear/witness/follow : worth $1
surprisingly fitting music: worth $1
opportunity to understand more about how people form opinions : ...apparently $2

AMFP has new levels, some new models, and a new story (which is usually the only aspect of the game that is ever praised). The graphics/visuals are the same, the voice acting in AMFP is better than TDD, and the musical score is well done, however there are no risky decisions to be made whatsoever. There is no sanity meter, no lamp oil, no tinderboxes, no random generation/placement of monsters, and your health regenerates after a short amount of time. Monster AI is overly simplistic, your electric lantern flickers to warn you long in advance of the arrival of an enemy, and 99.9% of the time you need only turn your lantern off once it begins to flicker, crouch, and wait for 10-30s before continuing to walk towards the exit door. There is no opportunity for problem solving or planning as a result, and any skill in figuring out puzzles, evading enemies, managing resources cleverly, or quick thinking is of next to no consequence relative to your progression through the game (which is what the majority of negative feedback references). It is for all intents and purposes an interactive movie, which will appeal to some people (for instance, people who enjoy having horror stories read out loud to them) and disappoint others (particularly people who enjoy playing games and/or adrenaline junkies).

Those who do not mind being deprived of choice will probably find something positive to talk about; those who enjoy being rewarded for their decisions will probably find much at fault with Amnesia: A Machine for Pigs. In many cases, the less thought you have, the more you will find things thought-provoking. The more expectations you have going into it, the less enjoyment you'll get out of it.

...rigorously educated literary aesthetes will likewise be unamused.
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tonythetiger122 Jun 20, 2014 @ 8:57pm 
oh burn
BDO Jun 20, 2014 @ 10:25pm 
That escalated quickly.
W0Lf94n9 Jun 21, 2014 @ 10:01am 
To whomever may be offended by depictions of unconventional sexual practices:

"...Men and women upon all fours, rutting carelessly, ejaculating their filthy little missives into the streets. Alleys and gutters running freely with the careless spill of their conjoinings. The air thick with the whimperings of lust. Bodies streaked with their own emissions."

This is a direct quote from a well-known letter found within the game world of Amnesia: A Machine for Pigs. In responding to a suggestion made by another forum member that I “remove myself from the gene pool”, I simply modernized the source material a bit, and placed said member in relation to the subject of this letter (the letter contained within the game this member enjoyed). My post is derivative of the game, and as such it would be reasonable to assume that anyone who had played the game would recognize it as being derivative. My post thus constitutes an "in-joke" among members of the forum that have actually played the game, and is understood not to be an insult of one's heritage, but rather an ironic rebuttal. I can only expect I was reported by someone who had not played the game, and was most likely browsing the forums looking for information on whether or not to purchase AMFP. If that was the case, then this still serves as a decent indication of what kind of content you can find in AMFP.

If the person who suggested I “remove myself from the gene pool” was the same as the person who reported my response, it only goes to show how little they paid attention to a game they would supposedly recommend.
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kingj0n Jun 21, 2014 @ 12:03pm 
Damn, you type too much...for a question thread.
I'm not going to bother reading all of it, you could be answering your own question for all I know.
But that doesn't matter. People aren't going to read your ♥♥♥♥. Then notice you type a bunch more a couple post down. People are thinking "'uck that ♥♥♥♥, my time is better spent elsewhere"'

W0Lf94n9 Jun 21, 2014 @ 12:07pm 
The offending posts were removed by a moderator. You needn't be insulting. There's really no point to it, other than serving as a reflection of your character and capacities. In affecting a change of behaviour, your response to my post matters as much as my post itself does...which is to say, very little. At least some people are honest about that. However, I think I understand you better than had you not taken the time to reply at all. I appreciate it all the same, and if you need help with anything I'd be happy to lend a hand.

edit: it's not insulting to me, it's insulting to anyone who reads anything longer than a handful of sentences. It's insulting in general. I'm not personally offended. And I'm not calling you an insulting kind of person overall. Just...the words you chose, as they included profanity (♥♥♥♥), constituted an insulting stance. I'm sure you meant no harm. You don't need to be insulting, but you can if you want to. It's just not necessary to getting a point across, that's all.
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kingj0n Jun 21, 2014 @ 1:18pm 
How is that insulting to you?
I said you typed too much and that people aren't going to read it when it is a question thread that you probably answered yourself.
Para Jun 21, 2014 @ 2:33pm 
This game is way worse than the first one.. which was bad
Lucky Shot Jun 21, 2014 @ 4:00pm 
Originally posted by kingj0n:
Damn, you type too much...for a question thread.
I'm not going to bother reading all of it, you could be answering your own question for all I know.
But that doesn't matter. People aren't going to read your ♥♥♥♥. Then notice you type a bunch more a couple post down. People are thinking "'uck that ♥♥♥♥, my time is better spent elsewhere"'

I actually read the post and I find it explains quite well what the game is about, especially in the last two paragraphs, I wish I had read something like this before I purchased the game at full price. Also laughed a bit when he says to see how a dev can screw up another dev's work is well worth 5 bucks.

Some people actually like to go and read things that explain a little more than "this game is great" or "this game sucks". This is why some people still write reviews, and why some people still read them.
Lucky Shot Jun 21, 2014 @ 4:40pm 
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hypophora

Also, let's imagine I'm a potential customer, wanting to buy the game but not knowing if I will like it or not. I open the forum to check out, and I find a "should I buy" topic. I read it instead of opening my own topic.

Scenario A: bunch of people arguing and writing truff like "it's the best game ever" and "it's crap". I close the topic without knowing what the game is about, without knowing if I'll like it or not.
Scenario B: I find this topic, wow it explains stuff! Do I like interactive stories? I'll buy it. I like puzzles, resource management, exploration? Maybe I'll look for something else.

Besides, what's the point in breaking into someone topic and say: you wrote a lot, nobody cares?
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Ellis Nix Jun 21, 2014 @ 4:46pm 
I think often people need to consider games in isolation a lot more (as well as in comparrison of course but I think that can muddy the waters so to speak). The question shouldn't ALWAYS be, how it has compared, what it has and what it lacks, what's changed. Usually when I play a game what I ask myself is: Am I having fun? Some games in so many elements can be right but they didn't make me have fun. Some games are lacking in a hell of a lot of departments but I freaking love them! I enjoy Machine for Pigs. I enjoyed Dark Descent. So by that measure, (sure I wish I'd known how cheap it was going to be and waited) it was worth the money. For me at least. (Answers overly subjective question with overly subjective answer. My bad).
3/4 serious bacon burger Jun 22, 2014 @ 6:56am 
Good post. You outlined your problems with the gameplay well. A drink for you, sir.
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