partlyhuman Aug 22, 2013 @ 9:53pm
Getting citations for approving those with valid explanations?
Is it just me or do you get unfairly cited in many cases when you accept a person with a valid explanation for discrepancy in their documentation?

An example: a few centimeter differential in height - but their fingerprints match and their ID comes back positive. They explain it's a natural discrepancy. OR: their hairstyle has since changed but again, their fingerprints come back with a positive match. Should I really be refusing entry because their passport photo is a little different or their height is off by a few centimeters, especially when there's nothing else wrong with their paperwork? Damn...
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Aidinthel Aug 22, 2013 @ 11:13pm 
I suspect that you aren't doing the fingerprint checking properly. A common mistake is to assume that the printout is the result of an automated check, when in fact it is simply the official record of their fingerprints that you have to compare to the fresh ones yourself (using the investigate tool, of course. Trying to check them visually isn't the most efficient use of your time).
Captain Goodnight Aug 23, 2013 @ 2:22am 
The fingerprints that are printed out are the fingerprints on record for the person the applicant is claiming to be. It is your job to match the printed fingerprints with the ones they provide. Use the investigate tool on the printed set and the ones the applicant has provided to see if they truly are a match.
Lillith Uxor Primoris Aug 24, 2013 @ 6:54am 
Originally posted by partlyhuman:
Is it just me or do you get unfairly cited in many cases when you accept a person with a valid explanation for discrepancy in their documentation?

Yours is not to ask why. You are from a Soviet-expy country. If the records don't match, you reject their entry. If you don't like it, You. Can. Be. Replaced.
Princess Unikitty Aug 24, 2013 @ 5:29pm 
Originally posted by Charlotte MacFarlaine:
Originally posted by partlyhuman:
Is it just me or do you get unfairly cited in many cases when you accept a person with a valid explanation for discrepancy in their documentation?

Yours is not to ask why. You are from a Soviet-expy country. If the records don't match, you reject their entry. If you don't like it, You. Can. Be. Replaced.

This. If there are unproven discrepencies, reject the passport. One thing I used to do wrong was I'd fingerprint them and see that it matches the record, but missed seeing that the person had no known aliases, so the name on the document was still invalid.

fnord3125 Aug 25, 2013 @ 12:13am 
In there early days (before the scanner, and for some things, before the reason stamp) there isn't even a reason, mechanically speaking, to question them about most discrepancies, because there is nothing they, or you, can do about it. They look male but passport says female? Don't bother questioning them, just stamp denied. Names don't match? Denied. They say they're staying for two weeks, but the entry permit says two weeks? Denied. Questioning just wastes precious time. :)
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Sensei Le Roof Aug 25, 2013 @ 1:30am 
Originally posted by fnord3125:
They say they're staying for two weeks, but the entry permit says two weeks? Denied.
Um...
fnord3125 Aug 25, 2013 @ 1:42am 
Originally posted by Sensei Le Roof:
Originally posted by fnord3125:
They say they're staying for two weeks, but the entry permit says two weeks? Denied.
Um...
Ha ha... as you might guess I intended one of those "weeks" to read "days." And REALLY thought I had done so. Oops. Silly me.

On this topic though: right after posting that, I read another thread (or maybe it was a guide) on this subject and learned a few more efficiency measures: apparently even after the reason stamp is in play, you can still skip fingerprinting and scanning. You have to question them, but you apparently do NOT have to actually hit the fingerprint or search button. Instead you just hit the blue and red stamps and be done with it. I tried it a couple times and it seems to work just fine... the only reason not to seems to be if you WANT to detain people (which has its plusses and minuses...)
partlyhuman Aug 25, 2013 @ 12:00pm 
Originally posted by Cabbit:
Originally posted by Charlotte MacFarlaine:

Yours is not to ask why. You are from a Soviet-expy country. If the records don't match, you reject their entry. If you don't like it, You. Can. Be. Replaced.

This. If there are unproven discrepencies, reject the passport. One thing I used to do wrong was I'd fingerprint them and see that it matches the record, but missed seeing that the person had no known aliases, so the name on the document was still invalid.

I think you're correct on this. My thinking was, the photo doesn't match but the fingerprints prove it's them - in that case yeah their documents have an old photo but they are clearly the entrant's documents. In other words, I thought our job was to verify their identity (and intent) - but really our job is to verify their documents. An old photo IS grounds for rejection from the country. Harsh yo.
Arucard Aug 26, 2013 @ 4:31am 
That's not right, the photo is irrelevant unless the fingerprints do not match. He was saying they tell you they have changed their name, but the printout states "No Known Aliases", in which case they were lying.

If you're being cited for fingerprints that match, there is some other discrepancy, make sure to scan them if the height/weight is off, or check for different spellings of the name in the documents.
[44th] Harry Aug 26, 2013 @ 10:52am 
Bit annoying but ya know, the Law is the Law.
Princess Unikitty Aug 26, 2013 @ 4:47pm 
This is confusing. What do you mean? Photo descrepencies also count. ANYTHING counts.

I'm also a she.

Originally posted by Arucard:
That's not right, the photo is irrelevant unless the fingerprints do not match. He was saying they tell you they have changed their name, but the printout states "No Known Aliases", in which case they were lying.

If you're being cited for fingerprints that match, there is some other discrepancy, make sure to scan them if the height/weight is off, or check for different spellings of the name in the documents.
fnord3125 Aug 27, 2013 @ 12:02am 
Originally posted by Cabbit:
This is confusing. What do you mean? Photo descrepencies also count. ANYTHING counts.
I agree. That pose was worded in a pretty confusing manner.

Also, in response to partlyhuman who said "An old photo IS grounds for rejection." Well... yes and no. If you question them and finger print them, you can't still reject them if the fingerprinting verifies them. But if you don't bother to check that far, you can get away with it. :) It's more than an old (or rather, non-matching) photo provides you with an easy loophole for rejecting them than that it is an actual, official rule that allows rejection.
Arucard Aug 27, 2013 @ 12:44am 
"photo is irrelevant unless the fingerprints don't match."

That's exactly what I meant, if the fingerprints match it shows the difference of the photo doesn't matter; i.e. they are who they say they are. I guess it was worded strangely, since you have to show the discrepancy before checking for fingerprints. :P

And sorry Cabbit, didn't do a background check before posting.
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Princess Unikitty Aug 27, 2013 @ 9:45pm 
Well that's not fair. I'm in the U.S., wire tapping and background checks should be the norm if we ever want to make Arstotzka a dream come true! Just wanted to fairly represent my gender here is all. But it's not like dudes think girls don't play video games or anything, pffft, so my efforts are totally silly, I know.

Originally posted by Arucard:
"photo is irrelevant unless the fingerprints don't match."

And sorry Cabbit, didn't do a background check before posting.
fnord3125 Aug 28, 2013 @ 12:14am 
I try to use gender-neutral words when referring to people on boards whose gender is unknown to me (or just refer to them directly by their user names) but it IS unfortunately common for many people to just assume everyone on the internet is a dude.
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