Heretic: Shadow of the Serpent Riders
MaitreNicodeme Aug 13, 2013 @ 10:43am
How to launch Heretic+Doomsday from Steam client ?
Hi !

How can I launch Heretic on Doomsday from the Steam client please ? I can't found a field where I can type a command line or target a batch/jscript... :'(
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GrayFox [SWE] Aug 14, 2013 @ 7:03pm 
just delete or move dosbox.exe and put doomsday inside the folder and call it dosbox.exe
MaitreNicodeme Aug 15, 2013 @ 2:21am 
Thanks, I found it yesterday but I search for a more proper solution ;)
General Plastro Aug 29, 2013 @ 1:57pm 
or add snowberry.exe to non-steam game
Kodai Aug 30, 2013 @ 6:04am 
The best and "proper" solution to run Heretic on a modern PC is to copy the installed directory of the game to a new directory and call it something like "DOS". From that point, copy all your MSDOS games to that directory, and use it as a default locations for your vintage games. Install DOSBox (current version is 0.74) and launch it. Mount the drive and DOS directory and navigate to whatever game you want to play. From there, you can rerun the setup to configure the game to your needs, or just launch the game and thats it.

There is also a DOSBox front end called D-Fend Reloaded. If MSDOS commands are something you are not well versed in or have forgot over the years then its a simple way to do everything from inside windows instead of at a command line. Personally I find D-Fend to be much slower than a command line because I've been using command line computers since the late 70's and its just natural for me. But its very well made and most DOSBox users swear by it.
MaitreNicodeme Sep 1, 2013 @ 5:16am 
Thank you for your response ! As I said before, I have found a solution to launch it through the Steam client, as I wanted. I have tweaked a Doomsday installation in the Heretic directory and passed a couple of parameters via the option command of the properties of the shortcut.
It work, but I search a more proper solution.
sadisgate Sep 15, 2013 @ 12:31pm 
I did this with GZdoom, instead of doomsday. It works fine except there is no sound. Any idea how to fix this?
MaitreNicodeme Sep 18, 2013 @ 9:10am 
Is there an option to pass to GZDoom to activate sound or soundcard ? With the option command in the property tab of the shortcut ?
Kodai Sep 18, 2013 @ 4:18pm 
MaitreNicodeme, why are you trying so hard to do this through steam? GZDoom was never meant to be run through the steam client and its making it much harder for you to use the native features of GZDoom. It's kinda like driving 50 miles to a McDonalds becuase they have a drive thru window instead of walking to the McDonalds next door and having to go inside to order. In the end, same food, same service, but the method to get it is so much simpler if you just go next door.

Then again, I may be missing something about your request and thats why I'm asking. I might be able to offer some better advice if I had more details on exactly what you're looking to do via via steam instead of just running the game native or through a 3rd party app like Doomsday or GZDoom.

Sadisgate, I need you to list your system specs and some other details. For instance, are you looking for generic sound blaster music, the enhanced midi score, or using OGG recordings of the midi score in GZDoom? Also, are there any sound effects and no music, or is there total silence in game?
sadisgate Sep 19, 2013 @ 12:24pm 
the enhanced midi score would be nice. The thing is if i play gzdoom regularly from another folder I have the music, but if i try it through the steam client theres nothing. If i set the midi device in the game options to microsoft as wavelenght i get the music but no sound fx
MaitreNicodeme Sep 19, 2013 @ 2:20pm 
@Kodai: I want to launch it through Steam because I want ONE client to launch all my games and I don't want to create another shortcut of Heretic ;) Yes, I must be mad :D
Kodai Sep 19, 2013 @ 4:18pm 
MaitreNicodeme, I wish I could offer up some help but I cant with what you want to do. Simply put, you have to be willing to use other 3rd party apps to do anything I would suggest. Steam was never meant to run DOS based games, and all it does in this case is launch DOSBox and then batch load Heretic. There are steam guru's on the actual steam program forum that may be able to help you setup what you are looking to do, so I would go in there and ask. I personaly find steam way to limited to bother with all the extra effort involved with such a task and tend to just use DOSBox, SCUMMVM, etc, to run my older games. Yeah, its extra shortcuts (which I keep all of in in their own folder so its easy to navigate yet tidy), but worth it for me since its less work). Good luck with it though.

Sadisgate, you problem could be a number of things. I'll be honest here, I'd skip the midi score since you have said you want to use the default Microsoft GS. While I think its slightly better than the sound blaster, its simply not that good. The default Microsoft GS sound font (in all versions of Windows since Win 95), is a very poorly made sound font based on the Roland Sound Canvas setup. Roland simply called it GS (where the "G" stood for Generl MIDI, and the "S" stood for Sound Canvas) and it was an extension to the General MIDI standard. Microsoft went through a ton of sound fonts and decided that the GS sound font was the best choice. And that was the correct choice. But......they screwed up. They made a deal with Roland to liecense the sound font, and all was good. However, to maintain system performance they chose to omit a number of key elements as well as use highly compressed samples that make it sound like crap, when compared to a real Roland. Kinda like a couple of tin can with a string compared to two phones.

If you really want to hear the enhanced midi score, then I would highly suggest getting a real, external midi module like the Roland SC-55, or SC-55 MkII (any SC unit will work including the 88 series). They can be found on ebay all the time. Most games from '91 to '96 had GS midi scores that sound fantastic on these units. The typical ebay price is between $50 to $100 depending on the time of the day, the weather, the position of the moon, and maybe how well your trip to the bathroom went that morning (nod to LGR on that comment ^_^).

Honestly, they are worth that price point. If you are paitent, and willing to wait it out for what may be a few months, you can snag one for a great price. I have a number of them and I've got good deals on all of them. Just a few months ago, I managed to get one in like new condition, with its companion SB-55 sequencer unit, a RAD-50 mounting system, remote control (those are pretty rare), power supplies for both units, demo disks, a couple of catalogs, instruction manuals, high quality midi cables, and high quality patch cords. The total price was $5.50. Of course there was another $35 for shipping because that was a huge and heavy lot of goods, but you get the point. They can be had and for a good price if you watch and wait. But even at the going rate, they ar worth the $50 to $100 if you play a lot of DOS games from the era. Watch some youtube vids about them and you will see what I mean.

To use one on a modern machine is pretty easy. Just get a USB to midi cable and a set of Left/Right RCA to 1/8" mini stero cables. Plug the USB part to your computer, and the midi out cable to the midi in port on the module. Then plug the RCA jacks into the audio out on the back of the module and the 1/8" jack to the Line In port on your sound card. Go to windows sound settings and enable the "Listen to this device" under the playback tab. Thats it. From there you will have to learn how to tell your game what sound source to use, but its a small learning curve and allows you to use your system sound card as a sound blaster for FX and voice while the midi module plays the music. Windows will mix them together in real time and you get to hear you game the way it was meant to be heard in the first place.

I'd be willing to bet that is the problem you are running into. Right now, your system is trying to run its midi sond font in place of its FM (the sound blaster) emulation so you have to make a choice. Music or FX. If you go with sound blaster for both then it will only do FM emulation and you will hear both the music and the FX. Picking midi for music and sound blaster is something your system is not setup to do as the sound card is trying to be a midi device and a FM device at the same time.

sadisgate Sep 20, 2013 @ 8:58am 
Well i dont see myself just throwing money at the problem, but thanks anyway. Like I said if i play Heretic in GZdoom from another folder it's all good but like MaitreNicodeme said it' really just for convieneance sake. I can still enjoy the game (sound and all!) just not though steam server.
MaitreNicodeme Sep 21, 2013 @ 12:16am 
As I say before in this thread, I've managed to launched Heretic with Doomsday through the Steam shortcut. But it looks like the solution is not very proper... But it work ! ;)
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