kenton Aug 8, 2013 @ 10:24pm
Phaser guns
Wait a minute, this is the future. Where are all the phaser guns?
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Ferro Aug 8, 2013 @ 10:41pm 
Something about the field generated by a living organism - nothing dead will go.
deadsanta Aug 8, 2013 @ 10:56pm 
Magical arrows so much cooler. I want to know where the monomol blades and throwing weapons are though.
B'oh | ShadowFighter88 Aug 8, 2013 @ 11:55pm 
Probably because it's only set 40 years from now.

EDIT: Actually now that I remember - there is an energy weapon in the setting; an experimental laser being made by Ares. I think the 2050-era sourcebook for 4th edition had it's price at two and a half million nuyen and it's availability as "Good luck with that".
Prince of Eros Aug 9, 2013 @ 1:08am 
Fellow greetings! What seems to be your boggle?

( Now I want to go see that movie...damn.)
[D²]Sommunist Aug 9, 2013 @ 1:32am 
From what I recall from reading the 5th edition sourcebook (which is set about 2070, or 20 years after Returns), the closest you get to nonmagical energy weapons are things like flamethrowers or tasers. Since Shadowrun seems to be more hard-scifi (even with elves and whatnot) I wouldn't hold your breath for them.
Dreamornaut Aug 9, 2013 @ 2:21am 
Originally posted by D²Sommunist:
From what I recall from reading the 5th edition sourcebook (which is set about 2070, or 20 years after Returns), the closest you get to nonmagical energy weapons are things like flamethrowers or tasers. Since Shadowrun seems to be more hard-scifi (even with elves and whatnot) I wouldn't hold your breath for them.

I would doubt that there would be the technology avaliable by 2070 to have a concievably workable design for a vehicle portable (most of the unit being devoted to cooling and insulation) pulsed laser weapon, but at the same time the old fashion balistic weapons would proabably still be more effective and much, much more versatile, cheaper, more portable, easier and safer to operate.
y4uhittaz Aug 9, 2013 @ 2:41am 
Originally posted by B'oh | ShadowFighter88:
Probably because it's only set 40 years from now.

EDIT: Actually now that I remember - there is an energy weapon in the setting; an experimental laser being made by Ares. I think the 2050-era sourcebook for 4th edition had it's price at two and a half million nuyen and it's availability as "Good luck with that".

Exactly, there ARE energy weapons but they are STUPID expensive. And of course I have to ask you, do you REALLY think guns are going to be replaced by phasors 40 years from now? Flying cars zooming around?
But the real answer is because this game isn't a new sci fi genre, its already an established cyberpunk setting that is dark and ♥♥♥♥ing gritty. Its not polished and shiny with fricking lasers. Even cyberware is borderline grotesque, with metal and ♥♥♥♥ showing through the skin and the fact that a datajack is literally a fricking hole in your head that you jam a wire into. If you want lasers, my suggestion is to leave the cyberpunk genre altogether....its just not for you.
Dreamornaut Aug 9, 2013 @ 3:25am 
Originally posted by y4uhittaz:
And of course I have to ask you, do you REALLY think guns are going to be replaced by phasors 40 years from now? Flying cars zooming around?
But the real answer is because this game isn't a new sci fi genre, its already an established cyberpunk setting that is dark and ♥♥♥♥ing gritty. Its not polished and shiny with fricking lasers.

There are small VTOL craft for emergency services, airtaxis and so on. That's not exactly far outside of the scope of the near future, although it's been forseen as just around the bend for a century. Man portable weaponized lasers are just not a near future possiblity even if it's possible at all regardless of how impractible it is. Ultimately cyberpunk takes a much more realistic possible future where what in means to be human is not just changing, but is virtually under assault by technological progress that makes humanity to some extent redundant outside of the larger machine.
B'oh | ShadowFighter88 Aug 9, 2013 @ 4:00am 
Originally posted by Dreamornaut:
Man portable weaponized lasers are just not a near future possiblity even if it's possible at all regardless of how impractible it is.
Yeah. That Ares laser I mentioned before? It requires a giant backpack power cell and I doubt you'd get too much use out of it before running it dry.
DarkCarnage Aug 9, 2013 @ 7:11am 
Originally posted by B'oh | ShadowFighter88:
Originally posted by Dreamornaut:
Man portable weaponized lasers are just not a near future possiblity even if it's possible at all regardless of how impractible it is.
Yeah. That Ares laser I mentioned before? It requires a giant backpack power cell and I doubt you'd get too much use out of it before running it dry.
ya it was later refined to a more mangable size in i think 3rd ed, but still not a cheap or easy to use item lol. i ymself enver used one to iffy for me, i stuck to good old dependable lead(well ok caseless ADPS anmo, who counting).
Dreamornaut Aug 9, 2013 @ 7:11am 
Originally posted by B'oh | ShadowFighter88:
Originally posted by Dreamornaut:
Man portable weaponized lasers are just not a near future possiblity even if it's possible at all regardless of how impractible it is.
Yeah. That Ares laser I mentioned before? It requires a giant backpack power cell and I doubt you'd get too much use out of it before running it dry.

Well, battery power is not entirely that far off assuming lithium ion batteries become twice as effective as they are now. A huge backpack like the Ares one would possibly handle a few pulses. The problem is that the device would be as effective as a rifle assuming you're using a range finding adjustible focusing mirror, reflex scope and gyrostabilization to compensate for the shooters twitch. The downside is it's range would be more limited do to atmospheric scatter and there's a danger of possible backscatter that could damage the shooter's or any nearby bystander's retina. All and all though it would likely be just a oversuffisticated highly dangerous toy.
DarkCarnage Aug 9, 2013 @ 7:17am 
it in the street sam catalog pg 54 , ares MP laser , for a whooping 2.5 mil.. ah the good old days lol.
Loki Aug 9, 2013 @ 8:16am 
There used for Phasik Surgery on the eyes to see better. They used to use lasers but in the shadowrun universe they've discovered phasers were just more efficient and cost effective. There not used in combat because who wants to make there enemies see better. Duh!
Allarion Aug 9, 2013 @ 8:45am 
Originally posted by Dreamornaut:
Originally posted by D²Sommunist:
From what I recall from reading the 5th edition sourcebook (which is set about 2070, or 20 years after Returns), the closest you get to nonmagical energy weapons are things like flamethrowers or tasers. Since Shadowrun seems to be more hard-scifi (even with elves and whatnot) I wouldn't hold your breath for them.

I would doubt that there would be the technology avaliable by 2070 to have a concievably workable design for a vehicle portable (most of the unit being devoted to cooling and insulation) pulsed laser weapon, but at the same time the old fashion balistic weapons would proabably still be more effective and much, much more versatile, cheaper, more portable, easier and safer to operate.

Vehicle Portable:
https://www.youtube.com/results?q=Functional+High+Energy+Laser&um=1&ie=UTF-8&sa=N&tab=w1

As in existing right now.
Dreamornaut Aug 9, 2013 @ 10:15am 
Originally posted by Allarion:
Originally posted by Dreamornaut:

I would doubt that there would be the technology avaliable by 2070 to have a concievably workable design for a vehicle portable (most of the unit being devoted to cooling and insulation) pulsed laser weapon, but at the same time the old fashion balistic weapons would proabably still be more effective and much, much more versatile, cheaper, more portable, easier and safer to operate.

Vehicle Portable:
https://www.youtube.com/results?q=Functional+High+Energy+Laser&um=1&ie=UTF-8&sa=N&tab=w1

As in existing right now.

I was actually meaning something along the lines of a ground vehicle with a laser firing at around 1 joule per 5 microseconds which would be effective for fleshy targets. The lasers used now is like a long range torch which requires keeping it on target for seconds and is not fully operational yet.
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