Blerrger19 Nov 17, 2013 @ 10:37pm
Questions about Physical Adept
Does unarmed affect your chi casting abilities like killing hands at all? Or is that based on willpower alone? I started to invest in melee weapons only to discover my unarmed attacks had a higher hit percentage and were doing more damage despite not having invested a single point in unarmed.
I would like to go melee weapons for chi focus/onslaught but not if I'm actually benefitting more by sticking with unarmed. Why use a weapon when my fists are just better in every way?

On that note, is strength even necessary? Or does all of your to-hit and damage come from willpower? The class info in-game recommends investing in strength with focus on either unarmed or melee, but what I'm seeing from actual gameplay suggests willpower is the only stat that affects your attacks so long as you're using your chi casting...

It makes sense to me that unarmed would contribute to attacks with killing hands and similar abilities seeing as how you're using your fists to attack, but that doesn't seem to be the case at all.

Also, if it weren't for chi onslaught I probably wouldn't invest in melee. Correct me if I'm wrong but I believe the damage surpasses unarmed since chi onslaught also increases critical chance.

There's a lot of points I'm wasting in Strength (since you need to increase strength in order to increase close combat in order to increase melee or unarmed...) so this is a HUGE concern of mine.
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y4uhittaz Nov 17, 2013 @ 11:05pm 
I don't mean to sound like a ♥♥♥♥ here, but have you tried researching this question on your own? I know for a fact there are other threads asking remarking similar questions and they have been answered. In fact, they have been answered in STUNNING detail, explaining exactly how each stat affects hit percentages and critical chance percentages.
Further, each stat has in IN GAME description telling you EXACTLY how it functions. Did you read those descriptions?
To be more specific, I just googled the term "shadowrun returns adept help" and the FIRST hit was a link to the steam forum answering this exact question
http://steamcommunity.com/app/234650/discussions/0/864975249524182745/

Unarmed affects your CRIT chance only, which is why the IN GAME description says EXACTLY THAT. Never mind, I am getting too angry just thinking about your question. Follow the link and educate yourself. Now I have to drink to forget any of this heppened.
Blerrger19 Nov 17, 2013 @ 11:24pm 
I read everything in-game and looked at the wiki. No help.
Blerrger19 Nov 17, 2013 @ 11:30pm 
Additionally all I gathered from that link is that unarmed does nothing for adepts and the jury is still out on strength...?
Stymie Jackson Nov 18, 2013 @ 7:01am 
Uh, wut?

Strength: Base Melee damage
Unarmed attacks (Punch or Roundhouse) and Melee Weapons (Katans, etc) add to that base damage.
Close Combat Skill: Chance to hit
Unarmed/Melee Specialization: Chance to crit with fists/melee weapons respectively

That's pretty much it. If you have strength 5 you have base damage 5, then add the weapon bonus on top (punch attack is +1, so your base punch is 6).

Want to hit more? Raise Close Combat.
Want to hit harder? Raise strength.
Want to crit more or get special attacks? Raise unarmed or melee

Adepts mix it up a bit because Chi Casting is used for base hit instead of Close combat when using a Chi Ability like Killing Hands or Chi Onslaught. But you need close combat to raise unarmed so you get roundhouse kick and disarm. I do not believe Close Combat helps Adept 'to hit' but I'm not positive on this yet.

Strength still determines base damage of Chi Abilities. Unarmed/Melee specialization still increase chance to crit with Chi Abilities.

Wisdom ONLY helps Mana Fist as that is a magical attack. But since that targets enemy will power and not evasion (quickness+dodge) you usually have a hit high chance anyway.

Blerrger19 Nov 18, 2013 @ 11:56am 
I was just wondering why my (unarmed) Chi Casting attacks were better (higher chance to hit, more damage) than my melee weapon attacks considering I hadn't invested in unarmed.
I guess it's because my chi casting is higher than my close combat and melee raises crit, not base damage...?

The stats are all pretty straightforward and you guys have a point saying that they're all clearly spelled out in-game but this is one of those age-old problems where I'm not sure what category my physical/magical attack falls under and what stat it uses.
Example, another game I'm playing has a fighter skill called "flamestrike" that uses your magic stat...don't ask me why it just does.
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