Honk Feb 4 @ 5:43pm
Is this game and the new DLC worth it?
i never played shadowrun but my friend did, so is it worth it?
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Dav Feb 4 @ 7:20pm 
to whom? i loved the game. some didnt. its not a from AAA developer, dont expect skyrim visuals but i thought they were well done. depends what kind of games you like. Turn based rpgs? this is one. ther are classes but the system is open, any character can develope however. do you have any experience with shadowrun, pen&paper, or snes, or sega genesis? you tube videos might help you decide. if you dont know about the base game you dont need to consider the dlc expansion campaign yet, its not even released yet.
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Dav Feb 4 @ 7:26pm 
base game comes with an editor, you can make your own campaigns. there is a whole community doing just that. similar to neverwinter nights, but not as big...yet. download them and play for free if you get the game.
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Thadian Feb 5 @ 10:49am 
1. Many complaints linger, however the primary complaint is that the "campaign" (the game) is short and linear to a fault. The defense often being the UGC.

2. Many feel that, in spite of UGC, the game "Shadowrun Returns" is the "actual game" and that the mods are just mods, like in skyrim or Civ 5. Some are great, some aren't however we didn't pay for the mods, we paid for the game.

3. The editor is a tool that takes an investment of your time to learn. Not just "anybody" can, you know, "crack it open" and make an awesome game. This claim is just as deceptive as the hype for Shadowrun: Returns in general. Instead, you need to have specific skills and a lot of time, and the tools are pretty darn limited.

4. On that note, you can argue how much of the UGC is "higher quality" than "The Game, Dead Man's Switch". The game is like an e-reader. The company released one small "novelle" on this e-reader, Dead Man's Switch. The second one is "Dragonfall". That is Shadowrun: Returns. There is an editor. You can play mods. But no, it isn't as easy as they say it is.
Thadian Feb 5 @ 10:58am 
As for "is it worth it", that is entirely subjective.

I suggest waiting for a 80% off sale or something, so that if you are not satisfied you can claim it was no loss.
Honk Feb 5 @ 11:08am 
Originally posted by Thadian:
As for "is it worth it", that is entirely subjective.

I suggest waiting for a 80% off sale or something, so that if you are not satisfied you can claim it was no loss.

oh thanks i didnt know any of that, strange im seeing a lot of kickstarted games fall short recently. makes you think where the money goes.
drake_hound Feb 5 @ 2:15pm 
Nah it doesn´t fall short , infact it is quite popular on the IOS and with shadowrun community .
With dragonfall the game is complete , so basically with dragonfall , is the game worth the full price of a AAA product .

Cause that is what the backers paid for , Shadowrun Returns + Berlin
Berlin was a stretch goal , now changed into Dragonfall .
Basically after this DLC backers pledges are all fullfilled , so people can basically really judge there backings .

So far am not dissapointed at all , infact the character generation and all the tactical options in combat , is good enough for me .

Only thing I wished they opened up is more combat weapon slots , for deckers and riggers .
Those drones and deck take a weaponslot .

But like said , you don´t think it is worth it playing best Shadowrun game released so far.
Then Shadowrun didn´t mean anything for you :P . that was the reason the project started in the first place .
Honk Feb 5 @ 2:21pm 
guess youre right, it really is the best Shadowrun game relased.
drake_hound Feb 5 @ 2:58pm 
Basically where did the project money went in this game .
This from my analytical point of view .

In keeping up with the schedule , basically they didn´t deviate from there original plans.
Isometric world , what they deviate from is 3D sprites and wire frame packages .
So that alone was a suprise by opening the editor and checking those stuff .
They could have gone for cheaper 2D files and stuff .

But the characters are 3D , so that was a huge pleasant suprise , especially if in the future somebody wants to start a shadowrun returns huge MOD project .
They are able to upgrade it into the next Gen .
Something that troubled Jagged Alliance 2 mod community for a long time still till today .

So choice of where the money went , I can see where the money went .
Also the alternative world (cyberspace) interfacing with realtime (real world) .
Means syncronised turns , be able to start combat in 2 totally different section but still seems smooth enough .
That alone is hard to pull off in TBS , meaning you wanted multimap combat at the same time.
It is possible .

Last all the combat options , AOE , Spells , Overwatch , Pets , Cover system .
Tell me what has been released so far in TBS , that comes close to having all those options.
only one was Jagged Alliance 2 .

Only thing lacking in shadowrun is height chances , but that is difficult to pull off cause of isometric maps , but still it is doable .

So yeah what most people do not realise , cause the game feels so easy and smooth .
How much combat options there really are , Cause combat feels so short and easy .

Stealth was even in there , something really hard to pull off to maintain balance .
Stealth can easily break triggers , scripts and other issues .
So sadly I can understand the reason they removed it , but even that can be modded back in , cause it was there in the first place .

See I given examples where the money went , when I look at this project .
Sadly it doesn´t mean this project is easy to mod ! cause people nowadays lacks a lot of creativity , or beter put we have grown more lazy :P ! including me .


Honk Feb 5 @ 3:01pm 
Youre right that sounds like a multi-million dollar venture. I guess the people who complain are mistaken in thinking games today can be made with the 30,000 dollar on average funding they used to get. Times change, especially with technology like Unity.
Life hacker. Feb 5 @ 3:09pm 
No, don't take him seriously he has a hardon for this game and probably has action figures of the in-game characters. I do not recommend this game, I played many games, and this is on the bottom of my list. There's hardly any turn based games that didn't do better than this in terms of everything, the only thing that saved the game was a level editor for the players to fix on what the developers were too lazy to do.

Anyone can make a level editor and have the other players try to make it fun because the developers couldn't do it.

"AOE , Spells , Overwatch , Pets , Cover system ."

LOL ♥♥♥♥ing troll that's been ripped off by games like xcom.
I didn't even bother reading your entire post cause I know you're full of ♥♥♥♥, I skimmed one line and already seen you spouting garbage.

@OP there's fanboys for every game who give them 10/10 no matter how badly designed & boring they are, find a game where there ISN'T a fanboy praising the game. If you can't, then take his opinion with a grain of salt.
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Honk Feb 5 @ 3:10pm 
Originally posted by Shu-Woon:
No, don't take him seriously he has a hardon for this game and probably has action figures of the in-game characters. I do not recommend this game, I played many games, and this is on the bottom of my list. There's hardly any turn based games that didn't do better than this in terms of everything, the only thing that saved the game was a level editor for the players to fix on what the developers were too lazy to do.

Anyone can make a level editor and have the other players try to make it fun because the developers couldn't do it.

"AOE , Spells , Overwatch , Pets , Cover system ."

LOL ♥♥♥♥ing troll that's been ripped off by games like xcom

I see, I didn't realize.
Life hacker. Feb 5 @ 3:12pm 
This game is enjoyable to people who are obsessed fanboys or they haven't played many turn based games before, so they don't really know how superior the rest are. I played a wide selection (most) turn based games, this doesn't come close to as fun.

If you're not a fanboy, and you haven't already played pretty much every other turn based game that's not this. You have no reason to really play this.
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drake_hound Feb 5 @ 3:20pm 
And I don´t take you serious , cause you don´t even Know FTL was a kickstarter project.
And I definetly do not take you serious , cause you say divinity is a $10 project.

Lets take salary shall we , we employ a 3D artist for a year ! how much would there wages cost ?
We take a system analysist how much would there wages cost for a year ?
Why this project succeeded was keeping the timetable on track !
Nothing to do with fanboy or not , hard concrete facts !

But you wouldn´t know facts from fictions , when you are just BS around like millions of other opnions .

So name me couple of classic TBS ? can´t name them ?
Life hacker. Feb 5 @ 3:31pm 
Still rambling I see? Only bothered to read the first 2 lines. Provide a source where I said divinity is $10, and a source that says I don't know about FTL?

I own FTL, how can you say I don't know about it being a kickstarter project? Lol see OP, the people who like this game are delusional.
drake_hound Feb 5 @ 3:35pm 
Originally posted by Shu-Woon:
Still rambling I see? Only bothered to read the first 2 lines. Provide a source where I said divinity is $10, and a source that says I don't know about FTL?

I own FTL, how can you say I don't know about it being a kickstarter project? Lol see OP, the people who like this game are delusional.

The good thing about a good troll and a bad troll , is that a good troll has a memory .
Bad ones doesn´t .

The bad ones can´t even go back and check his silly post of yesterday .
Bad ones are so easily rattled , so predictable .
See always asking question like a little baby , WHY WHY WHY .

I see nobody ever gave you a slap on your head , and say not why cause I can do it :P !
Nothing you can do about it .
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