Sword of the Stars: The Pit

Sword of the Stars: The Pit

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TheBK Jul 27, 2013 @ 6:09pm
Abuse on the official forums
Anyone else tired of the abuse that Mecron slings out over at the official KB boards?

A lot of people think its a nice feature to have the developer interaction. In theory I agree, that is nice. But its hard to have a reasonable debate on any topic if Mecron disagrees with you and he often takes your point of view as a personal attack on him if you point out the flaw in one of his games.

Which any disagreement with Mecron leads to a number of bad places. You really have to put on the kid gloves when dealing with this man child. As soon as he turns into a jerk about something, you at no point in time, can say “hey, I’m a grown adult that doesn’t talk to people that way,why you are talking to me like this?”

The second you say something like that - which isn’t all that hostile. Your lucky if you don’t get banned. At the very least his minion Castewar comes along and tells you that you're disrespecting the developers. Or that they aren’t going to deal with internet scum and how tired they are of hearing this over and over again. Never do they consider that they are part of the problem.

I always want to say: Respect is a two way street. But they don’t see it that way. It’s ok for Mecron to abuse the hell out of you but you are not allowed to object to the treatment “in their house”.

Over the last eight years I’ve often thought Mecron and crew could use someone driving over to Vancouver, popping into their offices and say “Hey, there are people on the other end of those forum posts. How about you treat them as you would want to be treated for a change?”

Obviously I can choose to simply not go to those forums and at long periods of time I do make that choice when I finally can’t take anymore of the dictator abusing people in his little kingdom. But its a shame that it’s like that, it doesn’t have to be.

I seriously don’t think those boards are about collecting useful feedback and having any level of quality interaction with their customer base. They are more about giving Mecron a place to lord over people. He’s not talking on there for the good of his company, he’s talking on there because he needs to exert some kind of mastery over other people.

Honestly the whole place would be a lot better off with him realizing how much damage he does with his posts but as he is king of that hill and unable to detect his own failings...we all know its not going to happen.

Bottom line: Great games, poorly managed customer interactions. I say all this in hopes that maybe it will someday get through to this guy...god knows you can’t say anything like this on the official boards.
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Ardee Jul 27, 2013 @ 6:45pm 
He has a terrible case of talking when he should just say nothing. Almost every time someone repsonds to him they get more frustrated/angry/dissapointed and only the ones that have been around for awhile hold back. They only do so in fear of bans, which to ban a paying customer much less IP ban them for saying something you didn't like is a ridiculous way to attempt to interact with the community.

Castewar doesn't bother me much, nor the rest of the staff. They are helpful and while they can be bristled typically keep it professional.

Get Mecron the hell off of the forums and put someone else there. I get it, he obviously doesn't like talking with the community, I don't blame him. Still doesn't excuse his actions.
AshleyTheNeko Jul 27, 2013 @ 7:10pm 
I'm so glad that I'm not the only person fed up with that egotistical dirtbag. He is the rudest, most childish, least professional developer that I have ever encountered. He is toxic and every single time he posts he is hurting customer relations.

Fed up with him and his rampaging, I called him out on it, and when I checked back, the thread was deleted, and I had a nasty private message from castewarkp, who is almost as childish and ignorant as Mecron is. He blindly defended him, and accused me of being disrespectful. Those who do not offer any respect, don't deserve any. He even had the nerve when recreating the thread so that discussion could continue to passive aggressively accuse me of being demanding.

They're all a bunch of children over there, and Mecron needs to get off of his high tower, and stop being such a narcissist.
TheBK Jul 27, 2013 @ 8:03pm 
I read that thread before it got nuked and no one said anything they shouldn't have said, it was all normal people replying to someone being nasty to them. The reason Castewar (this is my personal theory) deleted it was because Mecron went on a big rant that made him look all the more childish. Too bad you didn’t get to read it, it was classic Mecron lashing out in full on childish fashion, littered with mocking every person that posted. He even said he was going to make a game about being rude...or something like that.

Mecron is Castewars boss. So I think, in a way, Castewar is actually doing what little he can to protect his boss from himself. He can’t tell Mecron to knock it off but if he deletes the thread and makes it out to be a hostile thread then he takes care of the problem.

The only thing that blows my theory above is Castewar sending you a private message telling you that you aren’t respecting them....so I don't know what’s up with that. Your lucky he only sent you a nasty gram. SOP over there is to IP ban anyone that doesn’t agree with them.

They are seriously delusional about the disrespect thing....the one people getting disrespected are the paying customers that come out there and get abused by this guy. Any self respecting person that tries to defend themselves is automatically disrespectful. Children have more common sense and are more professional.
Skydancer Jul 27, 2013 @ 8:30pm 
Unhealthy, flawed human beings make unhealthy, flawed products because they can't relate to other people's perceptions properly. Nor respect them. I think that's the real problem here, and your original post sums up what kind of ambiance it creates in a gaming forum pretty well. I think it's just worth considering take your money elsewhere. Which is sad because there aren't that many strategy games developpers around. But at some point, a signal needs to be sent to the devs.
odin87654321 Jul 27, 2013 @ 8:42pm 
Have any screencaps of the posts you say were perfectly fine? Or the posts that show Mecron and Caste being abusive? One thing to describe such posts, another thing to show them.

Also, as far as I know from reading their forums, no one disputes that less than 5ish people have been banned from the forums. Since they opened up shop back in, like, 2005.

(PS: You do realize Caste/Mec post here and can lock threads here too, right?)
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Ardee Jul 27, 2013 @ 8:43pm 
Just go read the forums... plenty of examples.
AshleyTheNeko Jul 27, 2013 @ 10:33pm 
I don't have any of the posts from the thread in question, but really, like Ardee said all you need to do is skim the forums. No doubt you will find Mecron being abusive in just about every other thread.

When I called him out, I really only told Mecron that I thought he was being rude, snide and mean, which he was to the OP, because his locker system was being questioned, and hurting his massive ego. I wasn't overly offensive, and I didn't aggressively attack him. I just said what I thought, to perhaps bring it to his attention that he was in fact being a jerk.

I got back from that, a full blown, passive aggressive rant. The BK already mentioned it, Mecron said he was going to "make a game about being snide, rude, and just plain mean", mocking me. It got worse from there, with the OP chiming in, and I did say one thing that maybe I shouldn't have, but certainly wasn't as bad as what Mecron was spewing.

He behaves like a child, and lashes out at every chance he gets. Soon as I oppose his rule, it's suddenly a big deal. It's a dictatorship.

The BK: I can show you the PM I received from castewarkp if you'd like. I don't feel comfortable sharing it here in the thread.
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Two Clicks Jul 28, 2013 @ 1:43am 
Originally posted by Ardee:
Just go read the forums... plenty of examples.

Or dont go, dont get riled up and enjoy playing "other" games, rather waste your time doing something unproductive.
rosariodoamaral Jul 28, 2013 @ 6:25am 
I think it is well-known that kerberos´s devs have trouble dealing with criticism.
TheBK Jul 28, 2013 @ 6:44am 
I started copying and pasting the posts to that thread into a spread sheet but it was tedious. I couldn't just select-all and copy it...I was going to do that because I KNEW it was about to get nuked. Eight years of dealing with these people I know exactly whats going to happen when Mecron goes on a rant where no one really said anything wrong. It was really quite a civil thread but it put Mecron in a bad light (of his own making).

I ultimately didn't record the contents of the thread because: Where was I going to post it? Who really cares?

Only the people that have spend any time with them would care...at any rate it seemed like a pointless exercise so I stopped and the thread was gone by the time I hit the browser back button.

And if they tell you they only banned 5ish people - they aren't being honest.

After so long of dealing with this crap I really think it's time to let any new perspective customers know what they are getting when they buy a product from this company. This is part of it: Know that if you have any issues your going to be dealing with the likes of Mecron. To some people knowing that is important. I consider this thread to be along the lines of a review for one of their games...some people review the speed with at which things get patched, etc...I am reviewing the quality of person that represents these products.
BigT Jul 28, 2013 @ 10:15am 
lol he cares about his games and his honest of course his gonna♥♥♥♥♥♥of a few if not many
Citronvand Jul 28, 2013 @ 1:53pm 
I'm happy that I'm not the only one who thinks that about Mecron. When I first got to their forum I thought Mecron was just a typical fanboy. I was very surprised he was one of the devs considering how unprofessional he acts.

I'm pretty sure I read your post about him Ashley and there was nothing wrong with it. In fact I agree with you. But it looks like he can't take any criticism and always have to have the last word.
TheBK Jul 28, 2013 @ 4:11pm 
There was this person on the KB forums that copied a part of the KB forum rules and pasted them in on some Mecron thread, directed at him...basically saying you aren’t following your own rules. This was about 6 months ago or so.

Mecron completely lost his cool about that. I’m not sure I’ve ever seen the dude become so unhinged about something on there. It was the most amusing thing I’ve ever seen in that forum. Clearly whomever it was, was sick of the ill treatment and gave him a dose in return....except he was just pointing out the rules. Rules apply to other people apparently.

Never saw another post out of this guy again and I think he was a long time user...so we can assume he was one of those “5ish” people that ever got banned from the forums(which I doubt is true).

I’m still snickering about that, too bad the message didn’t get through the reality bending field that surrounds Mecron.
Nitrotetrazole Jul 30, 2013 @ 10:26am 
I dont get whats the whole fuss over mecron. ive made two threads on theire forum where he has posted a lot and he stayed courteous during the whole thing.
These threads were even about debating/contesting one of theire decision as far as game design goes. He didint went mad, he just politely said they'd check it out and what do you know, he mentionned theire next update will include the change i suggested.
Lord Gek Jul 30, 2013 @ 2:42pm 
I think the mad man behind the curtain has been known to let loose on unsuspecting victims, but I think it is more often than not when a customer gets snotty telling him some aspect of the game design is clearly broken and MUST be addressed in the next patch. If you can show them a legitimate bug in the game they've been quick to fix them but when people think they can just dictate new features or that some aspect of the game is too unfair, he's likely to just tell you in a most undiplomatic manner where you can stick your opinion.

I'm not even fully excusing his crass manner, but far prefer it over the wondrously polite developers that would rather go into hiding and say nothing when they feel under attack.
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