Nordic Games  [developer] Jul 23, 2013 @ 6:13am
WHO IS THE RAVEN? What do you think? - Chapter 2 available (Spoilers of the story possible)
Dear The Raven fans,

hope you are all enjoying our brand new adventure game. As the game comes in 3 chapters, there is time enough to collect your ideas on the most important question:

Who do you think is The Raven?

Of course we would also like to see your thoughts on the game and your ideas on how the story will continue.

We are looking forward to your feedback and guesses.

Your Nordic Games Team
Last edited by Nordic Games; Aug 27, 2013 @ 2:12am
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uka7777 Jul 23, 2013 @ 11:15pm 
Well, good question! I hope only those who finished the first chapter would read this thread as *HUGE SPOILERS* are here.

To tell the truth I am more interested in solving the murder of the baroness. The case of 'The Raven's heir' is too mysterious. How can anyone in flesh and blood steal a gem in the museum while two persons are standing near it, breaking all that glass without any noice etc.? And in the train - when that letter appeared, only Oliver and Zellner seem to have had an ability to do that, and both are unlikely candidates for being the Raven.

But the murder on the ship - that's another case, more realistic. My biggest wonder is why Zellner never mentions to Legrand how he witnessed the baroness fainted near the car?? She definitely saw that murderer she later Legrand wrote about - and it is clear that the murderer is not the Raven. That is, he/she was not on the train. And we have only two persons introduced on the ship - that rich girl and the Captain Di Conti. (There is a also possibility that the murderer is someone else, the crew member we don't even know, but that's rather improbable). As far as we know the baroness, she had lost all her family in the war, and there are some mysteries connected with that. The girl is too young to have anything to do with that, so I would bet that the Captain is the person baroness recognized and the possible murderer. How the doctor is involved here is another question...

Great game, anyhow! And as for the Raven, I have no idea (if super-natural factors are to be excluded). Good detective story always surprises its readers when it comes to revealing the criminal
Nordic Games  [developer] Jul 23, 2013 @ 11:39pm 
Thanks for giving your thoughts :) I have edited the thread title a little bit.
n0name28 (Ranni) Jul 24, 2013 @ 10:51am 
It does look like the Captain is the murderer. I wonder if she saw the violinist and recognized him as someone who'd tricked her out of money under the ruse of a relationship.

As for the Raven heir, I like Oliver for that. He's been present, so far, at every 'event' and working with Legrand would give him all the inside information he needs to stay one step ahead of the investigation. Would also be a serious feat to work along side the man credited with having "caught" the Raven.
uka7777 Jul 24, 2013 @ 10:54am 
n0name28, interesting thoughts :) But if I am not mistaken the intro clearly shows Oliver looking at a person with a Raven mask, no?
n0name28 (Ranni) Jul 24, 2013 @ 11:03am 
Hmm. I'd forgotten about that. May have to replay the 1st chapter to watch that again. Thanks.
tirpe Jul 24, 2013 @ 12:19pm 
Might be totally wrong but I kinda suspect that zellner is the original Raven.

Some clues that might suggest this possibility:

1. On the train zellner talks about being also an amateur actor. He mentions how it is important to totally immerse oneself into a role.

2. On the ship zellner actually refers to himself as Jakob. I think that on the train he said that his first name is Anton.

3. For a swiss cop he is pretty good with lockpicking.
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massendo Jul 24, 2013 @ 2:25pm 
Tirpe, you beat me too it. I hadn't noticed the name thing, but I'm bad at names... I can't say anything about that, will pay more attention next playthrough.
But indeed, when he mentioned the actor and role thingy, a lightbulb went on in my head. I can't shake the feeling that he ís the original raven.

Besides that, I suspect Legrand is the new raven... but I can't say why... maybe I just don't like him...
Noviere Jul 24, 2013 @ 2:45pm 
One thing that is stuck in my head is the mysterious person on the train, whom we see from Matt's perspective. He looked skinny, and was wearing a unform-style hat. It kinda looked like the steward, who is only seen once briefly. I was thinking that perhaps it's the stowaway.
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massendo Jul 24, 2013 @ 2:50pm 
well.. since they found the trainpersonel back on the tracks... it has also crossed my mind that the new raven posed as train personel - remember how he wasn't around when you needed him and then suddenly bumped into you as he moved to the front of the train, *away from the bomb*?
I suppose this contradicts my Legrand is new raven theory... oh well.. that one wasn't really sound anyway
uka7777 Jul 24, 2013 @ 10:35pm 
Well, Zellner is indeed an interesting candidate for Raven :) But the player witnesses his every move, so he's unlikely to have possibility to do something we did not see. And he always introduces himself by his full double name: Anton-Jakob Zellner, nothing strange here

Legrand does indeed show very odd behavior (he seems to be a bad detective, Zellner does all the job for him). But as we know from 'eGraphic novel' he is the only person in the world who cannot be the original Raven. So he's an unlikely candidate either.

As for train personel - their absence could appear as strange, but in fact it is just a reason for gameplay, so that 'Zellner the player' would do many things by himself in the beginning of the game. And it would be unfair to introduce someone we did not know from the start.

That leaves us with Violinist, Professor and the Butler. They are all skinny (not stout as Zellner and Oliver). Anyone of those three could be our man, but no one is convincing enough (Violinist is a petty thief not likely to to be the great master thief, Professor is already the guardian of the gems, and Butler has to spend all the time with the Baroness).
Oh, and there are Matt and his mother... Well, why not? :) After all, we do not see Matt's father but we hear a lot about him. Maybe he is the Raven?..

Those are all speculations, of course. Nobody can know anything for sure.

xxman Jul 24, 2013 @ 10:50pm 
the murder is "oliver" with a few facts the guy that shot used two bullets one in the cargo hold and one in the barannes cabine. the one that was one in the cargo was recorded so it can be used as a decoy. oliver is the one who search the cargo hold and said he found nothing. what actully happend in the murder scene is this, oliver went in there and waiting for the barannes for whatever reason i dont know, she faited and he putted her on the bed used a pillow to supress the guy shot and kill here then putted fake blood to make it look as if it was shot without a supresser. then he got reed of the pillow and putted it in the pot. and after that activited the recording made by the doctor. and run to tell me of the "storaway" he just spotted" so he can arrest him and make sure he is not a sespect of a faked murder scen. why did he want her dead, i dont know but it fits
Nordic Games  [developer] Jul 25, 2013 @ 2:00am 
Interesting feedback - keep on discussing who you think the Raven is - very interesting to see for both KING Art and us what you speculations on that point are.
Laestic Jul 25, 2013 @ 8:21am 
Hi !

Finished the first chapter yesterday. I must admit I have my brain working on this subject a lot...

I'm away from my gaming computer, so I write this on my recalling. I really need to rewatch or replay some scenes.

First, some facts :
- we have 2 characters without a face : the shadow Matt saw in the train and the steward Zellner stumbles upon, saying "we could use your help earlier" ;
- what we know of the Londun burglary is the accounf from the newspaper and, to some extend, from the intro. Who could be the narrator ? The museum guard has been "seriously injured" so the only remaining witness is Oliver, and the Raven we see is a man.

Now questions :
- which credit to give to the intro ?
- when the Baroness fainted on the dock, we assume she must have seen something or someone, and later when we discover the hidden message, we assume again this is related to what or who she saw earlier, that's speculation to me. More : the chapters ending, and what we discover on the good Doctor : it's suspicious granted, yet the relation to the raven is thin. More related to the baroness "murder" to me.

This "murder" is tricking me. We hear 1 shot. When we hear, we're on the ship roof, with Legrand etc. We rush to the Baroness cabin, Legrand couldn't open and the Doctor bashes it with a kick. Upon entering, we see the baroness body laying on the bed, and the doctor, at this very moment, goes straight to her to take her pulse, and declares she is dead. Then the body is moved to medical center for the doctor to examine it. Finally when we enter to reclaim the bullet, the doctor covers the body and take the bullet from his jacket. We never ever get to see the body closely, actually. We cannot say the bullet comes from the body. We only get stories, indirect witnesses.

So, the fake blood on the bed makes me say this : either the baroness is drugged and still alive, or she was dead before the shot.

Yet, let's account the characters the Baroness my have witnessed before the faint, particularly those who were NOT in train : only three :
- Captain Di Conti,
- the young and rich damsel (can't remember the name) with the cabriolet,
- the stowaway.

The young damsel goes aboard the ship from the dock right before we come to speak to the baroness. After the faint, with the binoculars we see the damsel going past the violonist, with a sacarstic remark from Zellner. The damsel was visible from the decks. This is important, to my opinion.

I don't know of the raven, or ravens, yet. There may be several ravens. A group. A couple maybe, accomplices, or antoganists. My guess is the former raven, the "good" one who never hurt anyone, is aboard, as well as the new one. Maybe the old and the new are fighting for honor among thieves in the background, or maybe it's a passing of relay. I think the young female is one of those ravens.

I really need to reread my notes :p.
Laestic Jul 25, 2013 @ 8:35am 
Also,

about the "murderer" the baroness would have revealed. It may be the good Doctor. The doctor was in the war (he says that to Zellner) and the Baroness suffered losses from the war. There is a tie. It's a parallel story within the story, may not be related the raven stuff.
xxman Jul 25, 2013 @ 8:39am 
Originally posted by Laestic:
Also,

about the "murderer" the baroness would have revealed. It may be the good Doctor. The doctor was in the war (he says that to Zellner) and the Baroness suffered losses from the war. There is a tie. It's a parallel story within the story, may not be related the raven stuff.
wouldnt see stumble on him in the train? no it got to be someone she havent seen before
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