Random Event Jun 15, 2013 @ 8:45am
Once upon a time....games were finished products
Once, long ago, in a galaxy near here, on a planet called Earth.....

Games we bought were finished, polished, shiny and innovative products.
They were lovingly crafted by skilled and creative programmers.
They were final versions and had few if any bugs (difficult to patch a game when there was no internet).
The games came in beautifully decorated boxes, often with gifts and most of all...
They had a thick manual, maybe... gasp... a novelette.

Games from companies like infocom (Zork, Planetfall,...), MicroProse or from dedicated programmers (Braburn's Elite) were a delight to play.

They were not free, but they were finished.

I SHALL NOT be paying money for a product that is not finished and worse, is only at Alpha.
So unless life changes and people start giving me money for work I might perform later in life, I say.....

Good luck with the game, when/if it is finished, then I might buy if it is worth it.

A small addition.
Would you pay to go to work?
That is effectively what you are doing.
Really, this is a great economic model for these guys.
You pay them, you test their work, you report what they have done incorrectly or poorly and if you are in luck, you will finally get a game handed to you.
It might even work, although whether it was what you wanted in the first place....who knows.... the programmers will not care, because they have already been paid.
What's more, if they do well, they get rich and you get....Remind me..what do you get?
Oh yes, you get a game to play.
Maybe they will send you a picture of their bank account, luxury home and swimming pool as a reward, lol.

Flame me for all I care.
When I get flamed, it just means that I have hit a sensitive spot and maybe, just maybe, you are irritated because I am right. You are paying to do somebody else's job.
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Plumeria am I Jun 15, 2013 @ 8:46am 
EARLY ACCESS

... enough said.
Zomnivore Jun 15, 2013 @ 8:48am 
I've seen plenty of games never getting to a polished state after being launched in an incomplete form, once enough people buy the alpha state of the game, the more work you put into the game,the less value that work gives you. With a fundementally broken incentive system to finish the work, it stays incomplete. Having garnered similar funds as a feature complete product, without the quality.
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Aselox Jun 15, 2013 @ 8:50am 
Long time ago, software companies used to pay beta/alpha testers to help them fixing their commercial product. Now beta/alpha testers have to pay even more than a normal game price to get an uncompleted version of the software. What a shame..
Plumeria am I Jun 15, 2013 @ 8:50am 
Most EARLY ACCESS games have to go through steam green light. We should check back on this game in 6 months.
Plumeria am I Jun 15, 2013 @ 8:51am 
Originally posted by Aselox:
Long time ago, software companies used to pay beta/alpha testers to help them fixing their commercial product. Now beta/alpha testers have to pay even more than a normal game price to get an uncompleted version of the software. What a shame..
These developers are independent... they obviously do not have the funds to pay people to play games.
Plumeria am I Jun 15, 2013 @ 8:52am 
Originally posted by uber ♥♥♥♥:
Originally posted by Summer:
Most EARLY ACCESS games have to go through steam green light. We should check back on this game in 6 months.
question is...what happenes when 6 monthes later it's still garbage?
Then you were right :)
The Chosen One Jun 15, 2013 @ 8:52am 
Dude,...YOU ARE FREAKING RIGHT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I NEVER THOUGHT OF IT THAT WAY!!!!!! BRAVO *claps hands*!!!!!!!!!!!! Bravo! That was a perfect speech! Bravo! I also agree aswell! I mean who would pay 90$ to do someone elses work?
.R'n'R.Bonerfart Jun 15, 2013 @ 8:52am 
Originally posted by Summer:
Most EARLY ACCESS games have to go through steam green light. We should check back on this game in 6 months.

Or just forget about it entirely.
Aselox Jun 15, 2013 @ 8:53am 
Originally posted by Summer:
Originally posted by Aselox:
Long time ago, software companies used to pay beta/alpha testers to help them fixing their commercial product. Now beta/alpha testers have to pay even more than a normal game price to get an uncompleted version of the software. What a shame..
These developers are independent... they obviously do not have the funds to pay people to play games.
Ok then, but you can't ask for 82,99€ for an unfinished game.
.R'n'R.Bonerfart Jun 15, 2013 @ 8:53am 
Originally posted by Summer:
Originally posted by Aselox:
Long time ago, software companies used to pay beta/alpha testers to help them fixing their commercial product. Now beta/alpha testers have to pay even more than a normal game price to get an uncompleted version of the software. What a shame..
These developers are independent... they obviously do not have the funds to pay people to play games.

Lots of indie developers get friends to playtest games. Then they pay them in form of a home made dinner, or a beer or something.
Plumeria am I Jun 15, 2013 @ 8:54am 
Originally posted by .R'n'R.Bonerfart:
Originally posted by Summer:
Most EARLY ACCESS games have to go through steam green light. We should check back on this game in 6 months.

Or just forget about it entirely.
Go ahead forget about it but you must stop with the slanderous comments. We should be supporting independent developers. Especially on the PC and especially now when the PS4 will start forcing us to pay to play online.
PieceOfMind Jun 15, 2013 @ 8:55am 
Originally posted by Aselox:
Originally posted by Summer:
These developers are independent... they obviously do not have the funds to pay people to play games.
Ok then, but you can't ask for 82,99€ for an unfinished game.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3A0q36NOgdQ
Plumeria am I Jun 15, 2013 @ 8:56am 
Originally posted by PieceOfMind:
Originally posted by Aselox:
Ok then, but you can't ask for 82,99€ for an unfinished game.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3A0q36NOgdQ
It is funding. Look around most of the EARLY ACCESS games desperately require funding.
Phalnax811 Jun 15, 2013 @ 8:56am 
I agree with OP - while Beta is sometimes fun to get involved in, chances are I'll lost interest by the time it releases (Never would I pay $90 for an Alpha. That's pathetic.)
.R'n'R.Bonerfart Jun 15, 2013 @ 8:56am 
Originally posted by Summer:
Originally posted by .R'n'R.Bonerfart:

Or just forget about it entirely.
Go ahead forget about it but you must stop with the slanderous comments. We should be supporting independent developers. Especially on the PC and especially now when the PS4 will start forcing us to pay to play online.

If there's one thing I don't do, is slander. Pretty much everything I said in any of my comments is stating facts. Uberent is know to forget and leave their games, this price by any medium-class citizen's standart is a huge robbery, and for an early access game, not even on alpha yet, is a critically huge risk to invest on it.
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