Protoss Jul 18, 2014 @ 1:34am
DOOM 2 might become censored worldwide because of German laws [EDIT: Still uncensored]
I read in a German anti-censorship group that DOOM 2 will be censored worldwide because some German "anti" nazi law does not like to see swastikas being used. So the both secret levels (currently still ingame, accessed them with IDCLEV31 and IDCLEV32) will be removed worldwide, because DOOM 2 is sold in Germany since yesterday.

So you better make a copy of the DOOM 2 directory before censorship sets in!

Or with some luck this applies only to newly sold copies, who knows. I'll make a copy, however. Not trusting Bethesda is sane.


Source:
http://steamcommunity.com/groups/foruncut#announcements/detail/260398403294083477


EDIT: The game is still uncensored. Maybe the For Uncut group has raised a false alarm?
Last edited by Protoss; Jul 22, 2014 @ 8:53pm
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Ōkami Jul 18, 2014 @ 10:14am 
HA!!! This is quite the joke, I came here to find out if it was censored in any way, just to find this, ah well, the joke is on them.
Orffyreus Jul 18, 2014 @ 10:42am 
This is just disgusting. Also it's not an "anti nazi" law. Symbols of some communist organizations are also forbidden e.g.
It's a special law that prohibits symbols of unconstitutional organizations: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Strafgesetzbuch_section_86a

As well this law does not allow obvious substitute organizations (like "The Regime" in the german version of the newest Wolfenstein). But nobody cares. It's random. If the symbol appears in some kind of art (the judges must agree that the medium is considered as art), it is allowed, so films like "Indiana Jones" or "Iron Sky" are no problem, although there are nazis.
Also a game with nazis can be considered as ok by a judge, but the few judges who banned games with nazis have shocked some publishers, so they don't want to risk anything.

This special law is unnecessary and misunderstood by some judges. It is unnecessary, because there are other laws that prohibit seditions. Also there are laws against frightening people. Germany should be ashamed of such a law, that promotes abuse.
Last edited by Orffyreus; Jul 18, 2014 @ 12:50pm
Heks Jul 18, 2014 @ 11:06am 
Future releases will probably be censored, using what was already censored in Doom 3 BFG. However DOS releases (like that of the Steam version) will probably not get censored. Also, patches to undo the censoring in Doom 3 BFG already exist.
Last edited by Heks; Jul 28, 2014 @ 7:06am
ALOHA SNACKBAR Jul 18, 2014 @ 2:28pm 
Originally posted by Protoss:
I read in a German anti-censorship group that DOOM 2 will be censored worldwide because some German "anti" nazi law does not like to see swastikas being used. So the both secret levels (currently still ingame, accessed them with IDCLEV31 and IDCLEV32) will be removed worldwide, because DOOM 2 is sold in Germany since yesterday.

So you better make a copy of the DOOM 2 directory before censorship sets in!

Or with some luck this applies only to newly sold copies, who knows. I'll make a copy, however. Not trusting Bethesda is sane.


Source:
http://steamcommunity.com/groups/foruncut#announcements/detail/260398403294083477
no only in their country if they really even tried that
ALOHA SNACKBAR Jul 18, 2014 @ 2:29pm 
they cannot tell the world what they can and cannot do americans will not stand for that
Orffyreus Jul 18, 2014 @ 2:35pm 
Originally posted by ryankolz:
they cannot tell the world what they can and cannot do americans will not stand for that

Publishers are censoring the games, because they are afraid and do not want to fight. It seems easier for them to have one version and not many to care about so they censor a game for everybody sometimes.
Last edited by Orffyreus; Jul 18, 2014 @ 2:36pm
Ōkami Jul 18, 2014 @ 2:39pm 
Originally posted by Orffyreus:
Originally posted by ryankolz:
they cannot tell the world what they can and cannot do americans will not stand for that

Publishers are censoring the games, because they are afraid and do not want to fight. It seems easier for them to have one version and not many to care about so they censor a game for everybody sometimes.

The entire thing is stupid, censorship for everybody?? Why the ♥♥♥♥ do we non Germans have to stand for that?? Heck, why the ♥♥♥♥ do Germans have to stand for that?

In this particular case, it is ten times more stupid, what is the purpose of censoring something that is basically public domain already??

Zenimax is no longer in touch with reality.
Pantheon Jul 18, 2014 @ 2:41pm 
Originally posted by Ōkami:
Heck, why the ♥♥♥♥ do Germans have to stand for that?
Trust me, we don't know.
ALOHA SNACKBAR Jul 18, 2014 @ 2:49pm 
Originally posted by Pantheon:
Originally posted by Ōkami:
Heck, why the ♥♥♥♥ do Germans have to stand for that?
Trust me, we don't know.
because they do not have the freedom of america to do whatever they want
ALOHA SNACKBAR Jul 18, 2014 @ 2:50pm 
Originally posted by Orffyreus:
Originally posted by ryankolz:
they cannot tell the world what they can and cannot do americans will not stand for that

Publishers are censoring the games, because they are afraid and do not want to fight. It seems easier for them to have one version and not many to care about so they censor a game for everybody sometimes.
and no they dont care dude do your research
Pantheon Jul 18, 2014 @ 2:52pm 
Originally posted by ryankolz:
Originally posted by Pantheon:
Trust me, we don't know.
because they do not have the freedom of america to do whatever they want
If only Bethesda was Americ- oh wait, they are.
Orffyreus Jul 18, 2014 @ 2:56pm 
Originally posted by ryankolz:
Originally posted by Pantheon:
Trust me, we don't know.
because they do not have the freedom of america to do whatever they want

There were games with naked breasts that publishers censored for america but not for germany. One example is "Giants: Citizen Kabuto":

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Giants:_Citizen_Kabuto
Near the release of the United States (US) Windows version of the game, Planet Moon failed to obtain a "Teen" rating from the ESRB despite changing the original red blood to green and covering Delphi's toplessness with a bikini top. They made the changes to broaden retail opportunities because many large retailers in the US refused to sell "Mature"-rated games;
Last edited by Orffyreus; Jul 18, 2014 @ 2:58pm
Orffyreus Jul 18, 2014 @ 10:42pm 
Originally posted by ryankolz:
and no they dont care dude do your research

I would appreciate it, if they didn't care. According to steamdb the game has the same app id in germany: http://steamdb.info/app/2300/
Cant Stand Ya Jul 18, 2014 @ 11:11pm 
Don't the fools realise that you're the one killing the Nazis? It's not like the aim of the game is to hoist up Swastika flags lol.

Stupid.
Protoss Jul 19, 2014 @ 3:30am 
It all goes back to some court decision in the early 1990s where computer games were ruled to not be art. A lot has changed since then, and IMO at least with Final Fantasy 7 they have become mature. There are games that can't even be called games in a classical sense, they ARE art by all definitions of art, but the difficulty is to have that apply to all games.

Sadly there never was such a trial again in Germany, although chances are IMO high to win it. Rather the publishers save their money - doing such a legal battle could take years that you lose out on sales - and publish censored versions.

For that reason Indiana Jones - in RL Germany - can kill nazis in the third movie, but not in the video game of it (yes, that adventure game was censored too!).

It takes only the courage of a single man to change this. And a lot of money.
Last edited by Protoss; Jul 19, 2014 @ 3:31am
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