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Capuut Mortum Oct 4, 2013 @ 3:28pm
Hello Howard
Well, Howard "just a regular guy. like you...". Please, game developers, stop assuming all gamers are male.
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Tzozen Oct 4, 2013 @ 8:38pm 
I thought the same thing when I watched the trailer. There's nothing wrong with male protagonists, except that they're a dime a dozen and not at all representative or inclusive. =\
Maidev Oct 5, 2013 @ 6:50am 
Well even female protagonists arent really like normal women. He could have also mean im just a regular person, not assuming we are all guys. like when i say hey you guys! i dont mean, hey all you men around me!
Hey, you know you're doing something right if the feminists start picking at you.
Capuut Mortum Oct 6, 2013 @ 11:42pm 
Maidev: You are probably right, it´s most certainly a question of language. But for me it really sounded like they just did not give the script a second thought, and that reveals something about the game developers...
Eskimo Oct 11, 2013 @ 8:44pm 
Originally posted by Callmepotato83:
Hey, you know you're doing something right if the feminists start picking at you.

You win the internet for today.
Neurojazz Oct 15, 2013 @ 7:54am 
Can't they compromise and make the person 80% male, 19% female and 1% 'other' - a sort of acceptable combination of politically correct elements in the gaming community. Or just add a shoe shop.
Goldcat99 Oct 15, 2013 @ 5:38pm 
ffs why would you even care? my god.
Shadowspaz Oct 15, 2013 @ 6:18pm 
Originally posted by Capuut Mortum:
Maidev: You are probably right, it´s most certainly a question of language. But for me it really sounded like they just did not give the script a second thought, and that reveals something about the game developers...
It reveals something about the devs? Really? All I can see it revealing is that they didn't find it necessary to be overly-cautious in their word choice, because, god forbid, they might offend someone with their ambiguity. What could they possibly have been thinking when they included "like you" in the script? Clearly, they wanted to alienate you, and think all women belong in the kitchen. Screw these guys, right?
Fitzmogwai Oct 29, 2013 @ 7:28am 
You know what, it's a very good point. The script is still being very heavily worked on, and I'll take this up with the rest of the team. It's always good to be reminded occasionally of one's own blind spots and thoughtless assumptions. Thank you!
ashstancill  [developer] Oct 29, 2013 @ 11:42am 
Okay, going back to the main point at hand.
Originally posted by Capuut Mortum:
Well, Howard "just a regular guy. like you...". Please, game developers, stop assuming all gamers are male.

The thread was about assuming the gamers are male, - nothing to do with whether the protagonist is male or female. So on that point;

Howard says in the trailer "I’m just a regular guy, like you"
This does not mean in any way that we are assuming you are a male.
The 'Like you' is referring to the word 'regular'. Howard was just stating that he is a guy.

It wouldn't work if he said "I’m just a regular guy and|or girl, like you"

Sure, we could say "I’m just a regular person, like you" - But cmon, how derogatory does that sound!?

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Bottom line. Game developers, especially us, do not assume all gamers are male.
Last edited by ashstancill; Oct 29, 2013 @ 11:44am
AvatarIII Oct 30, 2013 @ 1:13am 
Honestly, I feel like the word "guy" has no gender alignment any more, if I walk into a room full of my friends, both male and female, and say "hi guys", I am not only addressing the males in the room., I'm talking to everyone. the term "guy" has been used for years to mean "extra life" in video games, whether you are playing Mario or Metroid, so, yeah, guy is a unisex term, in my opinion.
mrmoneybags1 Oct 31, 2013 @ 9:04am 
I think the OP is reading way too much into the character naration in the trailer. Either that or she is trying to find something to be offended about.
I agree with AvatarIII, guy just sounds like a general term to me since it's used for anyone. I honestly felt the main character was just saying "I'm just like anyone else". I mean, his interests that he listed aren't gender specific. (pizza, beer, games and movies)
A bit off topic but I personally like how this game is inspired by the LSD game, I even thought about making something similar myself but it looks like I was too slow :P I'll definitely be trying this out!
FLU Oct 31, 2013 @ 1:25pm 
Originally posted by Capuut Mortum:
Well, Howard "just a regular guy. like you...". Please, game developers, stop assuming all gamers are male.


Stop look for a cause, you social justice warrior. It's a narrative based game, not a ♥♥♥♥ing power fantasy.
Last edited by FLU; Oct 31, 2013 @ 1:26pm
scape-goat Oct 31, 2013 @ 2:46pm 
So who exactly should be offended by the stereotype? Men who are automatically assumed to be gamers, or women, who are not? Not sure I would have ever asked that question before playing the Stanley Parable, though.
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