ElMikky(Cze)™☮❄ Mar 4, 2013 @ 7:07am
Should i buy Trackmania 2 Canyon,or Trackmania 2 Stadium?
I tried the beta version of the TM2 Stadium,and its very similiar to the first TM United Forever i own.The Trackmania 2 Canyon looks like a TM Desert.So which one is better? Iam more interested in the TM2 Canyon.
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CyberCat Mar 4, 2013 @ 7:41am 
The new Stadium has no global differents with "TM Nations Forever" version, but Canyon has!
It's not just a HD version of Desert, it's a remake! Buy Canyon! It's much better!
ElMikky(Cze)™☮❄ Mar 4, 2013 @ 8:09am 
Ok,thanks :D
Paco [ ] Mar 4, 2013 @ 10:14am 
I heard Canyon was between desert and island?
Not the same price but Canyon is realy cool. At least u are sure to like Stadium ^^
ElMikky(Cze)™☮❄ Mar 4, 2013 @ 10:19am 
XD Yeah,iam looking for Canyon becouse of the car damage,it looks interesting in TM.
Paco [ ] Mar 4, 2013 @ 10:26am 
Be aware, damages won't change in any way the gameplay.
Your car may be totaly broken and it will run good.
You will be a bit disapointed if you only buy Canyon cause of car-damages
Krev Mar 4, 2013 @ 10:39am 
Canyon is still the good choice.
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ElMikky(Cze)™☮❄ Mar 4, 2013 @ 11:12am 
Originally posted by Pacotille (fr):
Be aware, damages won't change in any way the gameplay.
Your car may be totaly broken and it will run good.
You will be a bit disapointed if you only buy Canyon cause of car-damages

iam not buying the Canyon only for damage,but it seems like a interesting idea.Thanks god it wont change gameplay,iam not sure how i could drive then :D
skiddlywibble Mar 4, 2013 @ 1:45pm 
I'm pretty sure Stadium is in open beta right now, why don't you try it out?
Originally posted by El^1Mikky^3(Cze)™:
If you read again my topic,you will see,that iam writing i tried it out.
Oh yeah. To the corner of shame I go...
Last edited by skiddlywibble; Mar 9, 2013 @ 3:18am
ElMikky(Cze)™☮❄ Mar 4, 2013 @ 1:46pm 
Originally posted by skiddlywibble:
I'm pretty sure Stadium is in open beta right now, why don't you try it out?

If you read again my topic,you will see,that iam writing i tried it out.
Sir Deadpan Mar 4, 2013 @ 2:42pm 
does either game have car collision?
Target Mar 4, 2013 @ 3:15pm 
Nope.
Tathar Mar 5, 2013 @ 11:20am 
Originally posted by El^1Mikky^3(Cze)™:
I tried the beta version of the TM2 Stadium,and its very similiar to the first TM United Forever i own.The Trackmania 2 Canyon looks like a TM Desert.So which one is better? Iam more interested in the TM2 Canyon.
Since you have TMUF, that makes it easier to describe the environments in TM2.

TM2 Stadium plays exactly like the Stadium/Nations environment from TMUF/TMNF, but is upgraded to the Maniaplanet platform, so you can use features like title packs, custom track block models, and car damage support. Most of that requires you to find player-created content though, so you'll want to look into that on community fansites. TM2 Stadium's car physics are very grippy, so it's hard to drift with Stadium cars and without sufficient practice, you're likely to fail most attempts at drifting. However, it is possible, under the right conditions, to get Stadium cars to pull off an effective drift. When you can pull it off, you don't need the car to slide sideways very much relative to the turning angle you want, but you need to keep holding the brake until you have the sliding angle you want.

If you like drift racing, you will love Canyon. TM2 Canyon looks somewhat like an updated Desert, but it's really based on the terrain typically surrounding canyons like the Grand Canyon. The environment plays similarly to TMUF's Island environment, but it does have its differences, and Canyon is more fun in the 300-500 kph speed range than Island is. It's very easy to drift in Canyon by tapping the brake while accelerating and turning, and it's also very easy to control when and where you drift. This is what separates it from TMUF Coast, which has cars that drift easily, but have difficult drift control and typically lose too much speed when they do drift.

Keep in mind that TMUF's Desert, Rally, and Alpine environments were created before Nadeo introduced different car physics for each environment, so they all play the same and just have different track blocks and scenery. Consider how the other four TMUF environments play differently from each other as well, and you'll understand more about how Canyon and Stadium are different.
Tathar Mar 5, 2013 @ 11:32am 
To be clear, Canyon is nothing like Desert. Just because Canyon has a lot of dirt everywhere and little grass doesn't mean that it can be compared to Desert. It's a completely different environment with a very different feel. It also has water features, but it lacks Stadium's "water skipping" feature where your car skips along the water once before taking the plunge. When you consider that Desert had top-heavy cars that had trouble turning at full-speed and would skid to a near-stop if you tipped over too far, Canyon is much better.

I just hope they bring Coast to TM2, since that environment captured the difficulty of adjusting your driving to incorporate the car's balance and G-forces much better than the original TM1 environments did. It was too challenging for most people though, so many disliked it. One can only hope.
ElMikky(Cze)™☮❄ Mar 5, 2013 @ 11:49am 
Originally posted by Tathar:
Originally posted by El^1Mikky^3(Cze)™:
I tried the beta version of the TM2 Stadium,and its very similiar to the first TM United Forever i own.The Trackmania 2 Canyon looks like a TM Desert.So which one is better? Iam more interested in the TM2 Canyon.
Since you have TMUF, that makes it easier to describe the environments in TM2.

TM2 Stadium plays exactly like the Stadium/Nations environment from TMUF/TMNF, but is upgraded to the Maniaplanet platform, so you can use features like title packs, custom track block models, and car damage support. Most of that requires you to find player-created content though, so you'll want to look into that on community fansites. TM2 Stadium's car physics are very grippy, so it's hard to drift with Stadium cars and without sufficient practice, you're likely to fail most attempts at drifting. However, it is possible, under the right conditions, to get Stadium cars to pull off an effective drift. When you can pull it off, you don't need the car to slide sideways very much relative to the turning angle you want, but you need to keep holding the brake until you have the sliding angle you want.

If you like drift racing, you will love Canyon. TM2 Canyon looks somewhat like an updated Desert, but it's really based on the terrain typically surrounding canyons like the Grand Canyon. The environment plays similarly to TMUF's Island environment, but it does have its differences, and Canyon is more fun in the 300-500 kph speed range than Island is. It's very easy to drift in Canyon by tapping the brake while accelerating and turning, and it's also very easy to control when and where you drift. This is what separates it from TMUF Coast, which has cars that drift easily, but have difficult drift control and typically lose too much speed when they do drift.

Keep in mind that TMUF's Desert, Rally, and Alpine environments were created before Nadeo introduced different car physics for each environment, so they all play the same and just have different track blocks and scenery. Consider how the other four TMUF environments play differently from each other as well, and you'll understand more about how Canyon and Stadium are different.

Ok,this really looks like the TM2 Canyon,is my mug of tea! Thanks for this HUGE recommendation!

Also i need to ask you,as you are saying "car damage support" you meant that one that is on Canyon,or the car damage also is in the TM2 Stadium?
Last edited by ElMikky(Cze)™☮❄; Mar 5, 2013 @ 11:49am
Tathar Mar 5, 2013 @ 12:04pm 
Originally posted by El^1Mikky^3(Cze)™:
Ok,this really looks like the TM2 Canyon,is my mug of tea! Thanks for this HUGE recommendation!

Also i need to ask you,as you are saying "car damage support" you meant that one that is on Canyon,or the car damage also is in the TM2 Stadium?
I actually don't know that for sure. I'll explain what I do know about it.

TM2 Canyon definitely includes that feature, and you can get any of several player-made car models based on the default Stadium car model, and they will generally have support for the feature, provided that your graphics settings are set high enough.

I haven't seen the default TM2 Stadium car model use the feature, but there are two potential reasons for that. One, the open beta version of TM2 Stadium is currently focusing on supporting converted TMNF maps, so it's reasonable to suspect that the current version of the default car model was just taken from TMNF, which excludes support for the feature on that particular car model. It makes sense that other car models could use the feature, either now or in a future update. The best way to find out is to look for player-made car models for the Stadium environment and see if it has damage support. Two, if your graphics settings are set too low, then the damage support feature may be disabled by the game.

Also, the damage support feature is purely cosmetic. The car doesn't drive any differently with or without damage, but it does create better immersion than TMUF/TMNF's invincible cars. Car parts can even fly off and come to rest on the track, but you can drive over them without incident.
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