ACE COMBAT™ ASSAULT HORIZON Enhanced Edition
Toramaru Shou Jan 27, 2013 @ 2:50pm
A Negative Review with an Argument
I saw this morning that Assault Horizon is now available on the PC. I own the game already for the xbox, and never before have I felt so betrayed by a series. I'm writing this review in hopes of saving people the money and heartache I felt.

I have played the Ace Combat series for a long time and enjoyed all of them. When Assault Horizon was announced I was excited beyond all reason and instantly preordered it. The previews were action packed, the music amazing, and best of all, HELICOPTERS. I am a helicopter /nut/ and I just about lost my mind. Helicopters in Ace Combat! I'm such a fan of whirlybirds that I have an actual SPH-4 helicopter flight helmet refurbished with a TrackIR and turtle beach headset, 3 monitors for wrap around cockpit view and a Logitech G940 Flight System for playing DCS Blackshark, Arma II, Apache Air Assault, ecetera.

I finally get my hands on the game, get home, throw it in and squeal like the excited little girl that I was and ... felt like throwing my gamepad by the end of the first level.

The problem comes from the developers telling long time fans and aviation enthusiests to go fark themselves while catering to casual gamers who want to feel like an awesome pilot. Rather than just code really tight flight controls the put some gameplay gimic called "dog fight mode" or something in where to shoot down enemy fighters you dont use your own skill and ability to position yourself behind the enemy and out pilot them before tearing them appart, oh no. Instead you double tap some buttons and you enter a cinematic cutscene... mode.. thing.. where you dont actually have to fly the aircraft but only make slight adjustments to try to get on target. The computer flys you through a crazy flight path with exploding buildings, towers falling over, etc to make it more "action packed" and then when you are lined up you fire.

All personal skill and achivement is removed and you're given a a canned experience that any player can do, cept maybe veterans to flight games who are too busy fighting with their natural instincts with the controls. That was my experience. I've played flight games for a long time, from Superfortress for DOS and the Commanche games, to modern day games like Arma and Battlefeild. I even have a few RC helicopters (not the cheap things you see in the mall, proper ones) and planes. I've even flown a Cesna in my time in the Air Force auxillary, I know how planes are suppose to fly! When locked in controls simplified or designed for someone with no experience I just.. crash because Im fighting the whole time to get it to do what I want it to do.

Somehow, after many howls of fustration, I got past the first few jet levels and finally got to fly an AH-64 Apache attack helicopter. I should have known better by that point but I /needed/ to validate my purchase and give the game a fair trial. It was worse than I expected.

Jet controls at least had some traditional moments to them, between dog fight modes. Helicopters were ... I find it very hard to find a polite way to put it. They were a veritable cornacopia of gayosity. It was like I was punched right in the overies. At this point I'm not even sure the developers understand how helicopters work. With proper controls you tilt the cyclic disk in the direction you want to go while simultaniously increasing collective to compensate for the loss of downward thrust. When you want to stop you tilt the cyclic disk in the opposite direction you are going BUT NOT IN ACE COMBAT. No matter how much you tilt your disk you hover exactly at the height you set with the "up and down" controls. You can have the helicopter on its nose and it will still fly. Dodging is taken out of your hands as well, rather than dodge ground fire with skill you simply do a quicktime button press and from a complete stop your helicopter will magicly perform a inverse loop or roll defying all reasonable physics. The worst part was when I checked the options screen and found there was no way to set the controls to traditional or advanced. At least Apache Air Assault did that.

I couldn't get through that level try as I might, between the aircraft not responding as they should to the rage enducing "magical" dodging I had had enough. The disk went back into the box and has only come out when lent to a friend. Each time it comes back to me, usually winged at my head and accompanied by curse words. Not a single friend of mine that was a fan of the original series or had any long standing love for aviation could stand the game. It's so bad, that I'm actually writing this review! You can check my post history, I dont come on the forums and complain about games /at all/. I just wanted to warn people not to waste their money. It is casual gamer pandering "feel like a bad ♥♥♥ without actually having to do anything" game that is insulting to flight game players everywhere. I HIGHLY urge anyone reading the forums trying to decide if they should get it to steer clear of it. It is the worst flight game I've ever played.
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HF Jan 27, 2013 @ 3:08pm 
Another case of the "Angry Customer."

Happens everywhere. Walmart, McDonalds. There are always Angry Customers.

Move right along.
Toramaru Shou Jan 27, 2013 @ 3:10pm 
Originally posted by HentaiWorm:
Another case of the "Angry Customer."

Happens everywhere. Walmart, McDonalds. There are always Angry Customers.

Move right along.

Customers have a right to be angry. Rather than wave a hand and dismiss me, why don't you give a pro argument?
HF Jan 27, 2013 @ 3:12pm 
No point.

Nothing of value is gained by wasting my time convincing you of anything.
Toramaru Shou Jan 27, 2013 @ 3:16pm 
Originally posted by HentaiWorm:
No point.

Nothing of value is gained by wasting my time convincing you of anything.

See that's the thing, you aren't trying to convince me, you are trying to convince, as I am, anyone who is reading this that the game is good or bad. I wasted my money already, I'm trying to save others theirs. It's them you need to convince that the game is good and I'm just an angry customer and I have nothing to be angry over. I've glanced through the forum and there are alot of angry negative reviews. They are just piling up. One angry customer is someone thats upset, a ton of angry customers there is a problem with the product.
HF Jan 27, 2013 @ 3:18pm 
Okay, have fun!
- Gh0stSp3ctre - Jan 27, 2013 @ 3:34pm 
I've been playing Ace Combat 2 thru Assault Horizon and the game has always played in an Arcade style fashion. Nothing in Ace Combat is going to feel or be as "realistic" as you are describing here.

Controls and the dogfight mode are definitely a change of pace but it still plays to it's Arcade root. You are complaining about helicopter rotation of the cyclic disks and what not? You are a helo nut but come on it's an Arcade shooter as I'll reference again.. You seem to be asking them to turn it into a DCS type of game which I'm sure is something that Ace Combat is not about. Stick to DCS if you want perfect and very close realism..
Toramaru Shou Jan 27, 2013 @ 3:44pm 
Originally posted by - Gh0stSp3ctre -:
I've been playing Ace Combat 2 thru Assault Horizon and the game has always played in an Arcade style fashion. Nothing in Ace Combat is going to feel or be as "realistic" as you are describing here.

Controls and the dogfight mode are definitely a change of pace but it still plays to it's Arcade root. You are complaining about helicopter rotation of the cyclic disks and what not? You are a helo nut but come on it's an Arcade shooter as I'll reference again.. You seem to be asking them to turn it into a DCS type of game which I'm sure is something that Ace Combat is not about. Stick to DCS if you want perfect and very close realism..

Not so at all. DCS is an extream on one end of the spectrum, but many games have basic helicopter physics down. Apache Air Assault is an arcade style helicopter game and gives you the "beginner mode" like ACAH but normal and realistic give you correct helicopter controls. Battlefield, by far not a sim, still has correct flight controls. Hell, GTA4 had spot on helicopter flight controls. It's pretty bad when GTA does flight better than a "flight game"
HF Jan 27, 2013 @ 4:14pm 
Don't like it, don't buy it.

Game's been out for over a year. Do the research.

Some people enjoy the game.
THAT NIGGA TOOK MY CHICKEN Jan 27, 2013 @ 4:14pm 
It doesnt ♥♥♥♥ing play for you. Okay
If semi-flies for you in assult mode but you need to make the adjustments to throttle when the enemy ♥♥♥♥ing does high g turns. Arcade.
Learn to arcade
- Gh0stSp3ctre - Jan 27, 2013 @ 4:19pm 
You can watch a ton of gameplays of assault horizon on youtube. TBH the game flows pretty well and is worth the money if your not looking for an insanely realistic jet experience with a decent story.
THAT NIGGA TOOK MY CHICKEN Jan 27, 2013 @ 4:19pm 
Like your review is open minded.
Your comparing a ♥♥♥♥ing game to its old brothers.
Are you going to tell me that CS GO is ♥♥♥♥ because it isnt CS 1.6.
Go ♥♥♥♥ing cry more about how this game isnt Ace Combat 5. It's really hard to please the fanbase because all they want is the same ♥♥♥♥. We all know that the same ♥♥♥♥ can get reptieve like Call of duty every year. I bet the cod community would call ♥♥♥♥ if they removed iron sights from the game.
Open minded thinking review..
Lol what a joke this thread is
MiG-21bis Fishbed-L Jan 27, 2013 @ 4:21pm 
I'm such a fan of whirlybirds that I have an actual SPH-4 helicopter flight helmet refurbished with a TrackIR and turtle beach headset, 3 monitors for wrap around cockpit view and a Logitech G940 Flight System for playing DCS Blackshark, Arma II, Apache Air Assault, ecetera.
THAT.. is awesome. Can you share images of your set up?

Originally posted by HentaiWorm:
Another case of the "Angry Customer."

Happens everywhere. Walmart, McDonalds. There are always Angry Customers.

Move right along.
The difference here is that buying a crappy burger is $1.50 but this is a lot more than that. Not a hard difference to see. The fact that the game comes without basic stick settings is pretty damning, even when HAWX came with them.
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Fusaba Jan 27, 2013 @ 4:28pm 
I found that the game defenitely stuck to the basic arcade style that everyone has mentioned. I also found that the DFM does not have to be used to in anyway to make the game easier for you. To me it was just a fun way to kill enemies some of the time. Otherwise I was shooting planes down with just old style AC gameplay. Yes the helicopter gameplay was a little easy and seemed very unrealistic but again the simplistic arcade style stays true. All in all I cannot say the game was a failure. It was a fun game and if you want realistc simulators then this may not be the game for you, but i found my money well worth spent.
MiG-21bis Fishbed-L Jan 27, 2013 @ 4:31pm 
Originally posted by Fusaba:
I found that the game defenitely stuck to the basic arcade style that everyone has mentioned. I also found that the DFM does not have to be used to in anyway to make the game easier for you. To me it was just a fun way to kill enemies some of the time. Otherwise I was shooting planes down with just old style AC gameplay. Yes the helicopter gameplay was a little easy and seemed very unrealistic but again the simplistic arcade style stays true. All in all I cannot say the game was a failure. It was a fun game and if you want realistc simulators then this may not be the game for you, but i found my money well worth spent.
I do like how they tried something new with DFM, it's like Fallout 3's VATS in the air. My only gripes are technical. Otherwise, I'd recommend the game.
Toramaru Shou Jan 27, 2013 @ 4:31pm 
Actually I like CS GO alot, and yes call of duty would be pretty bad if they removed iron sights, if it wasnt already a bad game series after CoD4 and WaW. If you remove a game mechanic that 90% of the current userbase enjoys you should as a developer expect to have unhappy customers and a hit in your sales figure. When you design a game you can inovate all you want but you dont change the things that work best.

And I complained that it wasnt like any other flight game on the market as far back and MS DOS 6.22, save afterburner on the genesis. Any long time flight game fan that picks it up may be upset at what they get, and I simply and telling my experience and telling them from my opinion they should pick something else, well /anything else/. Preferably H.A.W.X. or Apache Air Assault, those are some good arcade flight games.

Anyhow, since "Pink and Blue" can't muster an argument without swearing like crazy or sounding like a fanatical fanboy/girl I'm going to stop responding to them. Id love to hear any pro arguments that dont boil down to "you dont have an open mind" "its arcade" and "Thats just cus you liked the previous ones." Come at me with a positive argument rather than trying to poke holes in mine without much to back up the pro side.
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