Maiyart Jan 17, 2013 @ 3:44am
An honest view of BGEE
For people wanting to know if this is worth buying.

The Good:
- New Widescreen compatibility with latest monitors
- New NPCs and quests
- New Arena-style fighting mini-adventure called The Black Pits. This is completely separate from the main game. When you start at the Main Menu, you either choose to play Baldurs Gate or a small mini-game called The Black Pits. You can't play both together in one game. They're two separate games.

The Bad:
- Supposedly 400 bug fixes, however the game is bug ridden. Beamdog may have said there's 400 bug fixes. Even if they've fixed those bugs, I'd wager they've introduced more than 400 'new' bugs to the original game. Too many bugs to list. Just go to the BGEE forums to see the numerous threads in the Bug forum. Seriously.
- Zoom reset. When you're comfortable with being zoomed in, every time you enter a building, the screen is zoomed out again. You cannot lock the zoom.
- If you're running dual monitors, you can't minimise the game by Alt-Tabbing. The game stays on top of any apps that are behind it.
- Most of the cutscenes have been taken out of the game and not been replaced with new scenes. The original game had 26 movies. BGEE has less than 10. And some of the new scenes look absolutely terrible.
- In game voice overs from various characters have been taken out of the game. eg. Bassillus' 'Oh Brother Thurm..' voice over is not there anymore.
- Multiplayer is still bugged.
- etc...

So it really comes down to buying this game and putting up with the bugs and hopefully someday Beamdog will fix them just to play 3 new NPCs, a new adventure that's not playable in the main game and is compatible with your monitor.

New players may not know of the missing content and bugs and assume, 'that's the way the game is'. However, seasoned players will notice the bugs and missing original content.

Having bought the original game in 1998 and I still have my boxed copies of all the IE games, I really thought Beamdog would have taken a stable game that works (eg. the GOG version) and just tweaked it to have all the third party bugfix mods installed in the main game and for it to run on modern computers. It seems the opposite is true and feels the game is still in Beta.

Beamdog have really dropped the ball on this one.
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DirtyHarry Jan 17, 2013 @ 5:27am 
What a shame. This could have been a nice new version with just the modding all done for you but no! Why they had to mess with the cutscenes is beyond me, particularly removing a bunch of them. That really sucks. I hope they learn from this and do a better job of it next time. This game is best played in all its classic glory with basic bugfix and widescreen mods applied. I also happen to like BGtutu myself for BG2 visuals.
kamion7 Jan 17, 2013 @ 5:44am 
I heard this game was patched many times since launch. Is it still pretty crappy (from a technical standpoint, that is) in its current state?
uppermostbag1315465 Jan 17, 2013 @ 6:20am 
Well Steam version is 2 patches outdated ATM
AlienInvader Jan 17, 2013 @ 7:01am 
So why would they remove some cutscenes? Were they planning on removing them and 'enhancing' the cutscenes, but just never did it?
nin Jan 17, 2013 @ 8:35am 
Wish I'd known this before I bought it.
Bamboo Skizzle Jan 17, 2013 @ 9:32am 
The problem with the steam version is that its the unpatched version, there have been 6 updates that fixed and updated the game to pretty much perfect on the beamdog version.
General Plastro Jan 17, 2013 @ 5:31pm 
You also forgot to mention (at least for now) mod incompatibility.
DarkSeraphim Jan 17, 2013 @ 9:18pm 
You know Beamdog had nothing to do with the development of the game. Beamdog was just the service they used to distrubute the game, similar to how Steam is a service that developers can distribute their game on. Also I bought the game at launch from Beamdog as well and found that I only noticed a very small amount of issues which were immediatly corrected in following patches (First patch fixed almost all crash issues and playability issues).

Secondly the reason that the Steam release is behind and does not offer cloud sync saves is because it was Atari who made the deal with Steam and for that reason the patches have not come to fluition on Steam because Atari essentially went around the studio to get the game on Steam. Just comes to show that publishers once again can give a game studio a bad rep because they like to push out unfinished things so they can make a quick buck.
Lavian Jan 17, 2013 @ 9:30pm 
Originally posted by DarkSeraphim:
You know Beamdog had nothing to do with the development of the game. Beamdog was just the service they used to distrubute the game, similar to how Steam is a service that developers can distribute their game on. Also I bought the game at launch from Beamdog as well and found that I only noticed a very small amount of issues which were immediatly corrected in following patches (First patch fixed almost all crash issues and playability issues).

Secondly the reason that the Steam release is behind and does not offer cloud sync saves is because it was Atari who made the deal with Steam and for that reason the patches have not come to fluition on Steam because Atari essentially went around the studio to get the game on Steam. Just comes to show that publishers once again can give a game studio a bad rep because they like to push out unfinished things so they can make a quick buck.
uh.... one MAJOR gripe with this post.

http://www.overhaulgames.com/

Look at the (c) at the bottom of the page.
Maiyart Jan 18, 2013 @ 12:31am 
Originally posted by kamion7:
I heard this game was patched many times since launch. Is it still pretty crappy (from a technical standpoint, that is) in its current state?

There's been many patches and as of today with its latest patch, everything I have said in my original post still stands. This could have been the ultimate definitive version of Baldurs Gate and unfortunately, it's very far from that.

Quite disappointed with this effort considering Overhaul/Beamdog had a year to upgrade a perfectly working game (eg. GoG version) to run on the latest computers with all the bug fixes and other mods that the mod community have done.

It's not like Overhaul/Beamdog had to create a new game from scratch. eg. engine, story, graphics, normal development time, etc. This was an already complete working game. Just to compare, Obsidian are taking 18 months (an extra 6 months more than Overhaul) to create a new game from nothing with Project Eternity. Overhaul had a complete game handed to them.

It doesn't make any sense.
svr Jan 18, 2013 @ 12:46am 
I knew this EE version was inferior to the original but never thought it was this bad. I'll just get the originals from GOG instead.

I wonder if CDP would have done same with Witcher EE's they would propably have same kind of ♥♥♥♥♥torm that is clouding certain zombie game.
Sickfreak Jan 18, 2013 @ 12:53am 
Originally posted by Maiyart:
For people wanting to know if this is worth buying.

The Good:
- New Widescreen compatibility with latest monitors
- New NPCs and quests
- New Arena-style fighting mini-adventure called The Black Pits. This is completely separate from the main game. When you start at the Main Menu, you either choose to play Baldurs Gate or a small mini-game called The Black Pits. You can't play both together in one game. They're two separate games.

The Bad:
- Supposedly 400 bug fixes, however the game is bug ridden. Beamdog may have said there's 400 bug fixes. Even if they've fixed those bugs, I'd wager they've introduced more than 400 'new' bugs to the original game. Too many bugs to list. Just go to the BGEE forums to see the numerous threads in the Bug forum. Seriously.
- Zoom reset. When you're comfortable with being zoomed in, every time you enter a building, the screen is zoomed out again. You cannot lock the zoom.
- If you're running dual monitors, you can't minimise the game by Alt-Tabbing. The game stays on top of any apps that are behind it.
- Most of the cutscenes have been taken out of the game and not been replaced with new scenes. The original game had 26 movies. BGEE has less than 10. And some of the new scenes look absolutely terrible.
- In game voice overs from various characters have been taken out of the game. eg. Bassillus' 'Oh Brother Thurm..' voice over is not there anymore.
- Multiplayer is still bugged.
- etc...

So it really comes down to buying this game and putting up with the bugs and hopefully someday Beamdog will fix them just to play 3 new NPCs, a new adventure that's not playable in the main game and is compatible with your monitor.

New players may not know of the missing content and bugs and assume, 'that's the way the game is'. However, seasoned players will notice the bugs and missing original content.

Having bought the original game in 1998 and I still have my boxed copies of all the IE games, I really thought Beamdog would have taken a stable game that works (eg. the GOG version) and just tweaked it to have all the third party bugfix mods installed in the main game and for it to run on modern computers. It seems the opposite is true and feels the game is still in Beta.

Beamdog have really dropped the ball on this one.


Strange im already half way in and tbh and im very serious, I havent met or seen 1 bug anywhere!

+ This zooming in you are talking about, I dont understand why you would want to zoom it in so far then lock it because if you zoomed in the game looks very bad like legoland.

So that kinda proofs what gamer you are I think not to blow you off mate so no offense but its just really strange that in 2013 you would want to play something that looks like a toystore legobloks.

its a great game like it was years ago but I do miss the old movies but thats kinda it the rest is just awesome lol no bugs what so ever for (for me atleast). just re-install if you really have so many bugs since im one of those ppl who doesnt have any bugs so it isnt the game
Maiyart Jan 18, 2013 @ 1:07am 
Originally posted by Sickfreak:
Strange im already half way in and tbh and im very serious, I havent met or seen 1 bug anywhere!

+ This zooming in you are talking about, I dont understand why you would want to zoom it in so far then lock it because if you zoomed in the game looks very bad like legoland.

So that kinda proofs what gamer you are I think not to blow you off mate so no offense but its just really strange that in 2013 you would want to play something that looks like a toystore legobloks.

You've just contradicted yourself. You said you haven't seen one bug and yet you confirm the zoom reset is in the game and you can't lock the zoom.

Also, I never said I would zoom all the way in. Nice way to take what I said out of context. I think it shows what sort of gamer you are when you can't comprehend what I wrote. I'd like to zoom at a distance I like (eg.about half way in) and I can't, because everytime I enter a building/house/inn/etc it zooms all the way back out again. It's 2013 and this game has no zoom lock.

Originally posted by Sickfreak:
its a great game like it was years ago but I do miss the old movies but thats kinda it the rest is just awesome lol no bugs what so ever for (for me atleast). just re-install if you really have so many bugs since im one of those ppl who doesnt have any bugs so it isnt the game

The install is fine with me. The game runs without any game breaking bugs. However, the game has an incredible amount of ingame bugs, including missing original content. Just because you can't remember the original content which is missing in BGEE, just because you can't afford to run dual monitors, just because you choose to ignore the missing voice overs of characters in the game, doesn't mean that there isn't any bugs.

Your game has bugs, but you come across as a beamdog fanboy by choosing to ignore at the very least, missing original content with things like voice overs in the game.
Last edited by Maiyart; Jan 18, 2013 @ 1:08am
Kitto Jan 18, 2013 @ 1:11am 
It's a shame mods are not compatible. Would be great with Steam workshop!
Imperion Jan 18, 2013 @ 3:03am 
You've made some valid points Maiyart, thanks for sharing. It's been tough to sift through the biased opinions of those who purchased the game on GOG vrs the Enhanced Edition buyers. They all seem to back the version they purchased. So it's nice to see a review that lays out the pros/cons of the game on steam. I also bought the original game and it's a huge let down to read about the issues you've addressed. I was really hoping for a definitive version of the game.
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