Baldur's Gate: Enhanced Edition

Granberia Jan 7, 2014 @ 9:49pm
The more I play, the more I realize that
BG wasn't really that great a game and BGII is infinitely superior in every category. My nostalgia goggles have been drop kicked off my face.

Just finished a run as a ranger/cleric and was considering doing another run as one of the added kits, but ♥♥♥♥ me if I can't work up the will to walk through endless fog on another wilderness map or kite more ogres.
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DarkExcalibur42 Jan 8, 2014 @ 1:54am 
Really? I'd have to disagree. The only thing that BG1 lacks for me is added character interactions found in BG2. Other than that I actually enjoy BG1 MORE than BG2 because the combat is more enjoyable.

BG1 is exactly as good as I remember it and the EE fixed almost everything that I originally found annoying (like stacks of arrows).
Granberia Jan 8, 2014 @ 2:55am 
Originally posted by DarkExcalibur42:
Other than that I actually enjoy BG1 MORE than BG2 because the combat is more enjoyable.

How in the world could you prefer BG1 combat? You are greatly lacking in options, enemy variety is low, and half the kits are ♥♥♥♥ all useless at BG1 levels.

Heck, most fights can be won with a single cast of web
DarkExcalibur42 Jan 8, 2014 @ 3:57am 
I don't much bother with web since it can backfire on your own party. Originally BG1 didn't have any kits at all, so claiming kits are useless in the first game is kind of a silly criticism.

In BG2 some of the most lethal battles are so because of instant kill attacks or things like Imprisonment.

BG2 oftentimes has too many options, and that is its major detractor from combat enjoyability.

My opinion is much the same with table-top 3.0 and 3.5. Combat is far more interesting between levels 1 and 8 than it is from levels 12 and up.
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Pie in the sky Jan 8, 2014 @ 8:40am 


Originally posted by Granberia:

How in the world could you prefer BG1 combat? You are greatly lacking in options, enemy variety is low, and half the kits are ♥♥♥♥ all useless at BG1 levels.

Heck, most fights can be won with a single cast of web

Install SCS and play on insane. Single web will not be enough.


BG1 is much closer to PnP. Every class has his role and there are no random godlike items around. World map is unlocked and world cares about you much less.

happy Jan 8, 2014 @ 9:02am 
Originally posted by DarkExcalibur42:
Really? I'd have to disagree. The only thing that BG1 lacks for me is added character interactions found in BG2. Other than that I actually enjoy BG1 MORE than BG2 because the combat is more enjoyable.

BG1 is exactly as good as I remember it and the EE fixed almost everything that I originally found annoying (like stacks of arrows).

yep, +1

the simple fact that you, granberia, chose an ranger/cleric as your main, shows that you are not seeking challenge, you also do not enjoy what i love in BG1, wandering, open maps

good for you, modern rpgs are made for you, as myself will continue to run my BG with permadeath

Barbaria Jan 8, 2014 @ 10:04am 
I couldn't agree more with OP. It's exactly what my thoughts have been for a long time until I warmed up to BG1 over the years. BG2 is vastly superior. The story is better, the NPCs are better, the combat is better, the quests are better, the graphics are better... it's an improvement through and through. Yet the first titile is still a good game, don't forget that. You're just frustrated now that it's not as good as B♥♥♥♥nd you desperately want another game like BG2.
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happy Jan 8, 2014 @ 10:26am 
well, your opinion is just your opinion
saying it is fine, but it doesn t mean that it is a universal point of view, saying something is better is just subjective

"The story is better, the NPCs are better, the combat is better, the quests are better, the graphics are better..."

i myself have a different opinion,

i didn t really enjoy the story of BG2, i find it stupid

i do find BG2 combats easier, so i won t say they are better, no way^^

quests are better, yes they are, i agree, i agree because you can t even compare for side quests, but, the main quests in BG have similar work put into them

graphics are better, technically yes, but i prefer BG1 even with lower graphics,i enjoy the wilderness and all it s details, so too me, BG1 graphics are more enjoyable

saying something is better because you enjoy it more doesn t make it better, it just shows YOU had a better time

and what about things BG2 lost on the way?, what about loss of freedom? do you find that better?(you have that right)

BG2 is a great game, i enjoyed it
not as much as BG1

you re free to think otherwise, i don t mind
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DarkExcalibur42 Jan 8, 2014 @ 10:32am 
Originally posted by Barbaria:
The story is better, the NPCs are better,... the quests are better, the graphics are better... it's an improvement through and through. Yet the first titile is still a good game, don't forget that.

Yes. I agree with all of that (except the combat part that I cut out). More importantly, the story and NPCs are more satisfying. When you foiled Sarevok... I mean, his scheme was just so hair-brained it never felt like he would really succeed on doing anything aside from instigating a war. When you defeat Irenicus or Melissan... you realize the scope of the Bhaalspawn threat.
Siege Mentality Jan 8, 2014 @ 3:47pm 
I've always preferred BG1 to BG2. I always lose interest at the point of the story where you're stuck playing gopher in the city. It's much more enjoyable to clear wilderness... to me.

Also: Dwarven Defender is delicious.
Jake Stonewall Jan 9, 2014 @ 12:51am 
I am glad I started with BG1 since most people seem to prefer BG2 (for the most part). By the way ... not to hi-jack this thread but I am hoping I can import my Half-Orc Barbarian to BG2: EE when I am done with BG1.

Then ... after I pass BG2 can I import him to the Icewind Dale games?
DarkExcalibur42 Jan 9, 2014 @ 12:59am 
I highly doubt it because by the time you finish all of Baldur's Gate 2 your character will end up being at least level 26 or higher. I don't think Icewind Dale went that high.

And I know that Icewind Dale 2 used 3.0 D&D instead of 2.0 D&D so I highly doubt there will be any way to import characters from the Baldur's Gate games into Icewind Dale 2. If they ever make an EE of Icewind Dale 2, I hope they just scrap all the 3.0 nonsense and redo it with BG2 mechanics.
.//slayer Jan 9, 2014 @ 4:57am 
Yeah, I also agree with the OP. Even though I first played BG1 around the time it came out and it basically introduced me to the world of serious RPGs, I never finished it until several years passed and I got to play BG2, which REALLY got me hooked. That game I beat time and again, until I finally decided to experience the whole story myself and beat the first chapter as well. And while the experience was still fantastic, I don't dig the whole "explore half-empty levels with low-level characters" thing.

Which is worse, so many dialogues are inferior in the sense that a quest-giver would jump at you and yell his single line of text, to which you can't even reply. That's the worst thing about BG1, IMO. "Hey, random party of guys, go clear my house in Beregost of spiders and bring back my stuff. And no, I don't need to hear a single word from you! Scram." Heh... that's the part of the game that is truly dated, unlike almost everything else in it.
Pie in the sky Jan 9, 2014 @ 6:45am 
Originally posted by .//slayer:
Yeah, I also agree with the OP. Even though I first played BG1 around the time it came out and it basically introduced me to the world of serious RPGs, I never finished it until several years passed and I got to play BG2, which REALLY got me hooked. That game I beat time and again, until I finally decided to experience the whole story myself and beat the first chapter as well. And while the experience was still fantastic, I don't dig the whole "explore half-empty levels with low-level characters" thing.

Which is worse, so many dialogues are inferior in the sense that a quest-giver would jump at you and yell his single line of text, to which you can't even reply. That's the worst thing about BG1, IMO. "Hey, random party of guys, go clear my house in Beregost of spiders and bring back my stuff. And no, I don't need to hear a single word from you! Scram." Heh... that's the part of the game that is truly dated, unlike almost everything else in it.

Modded BG1 on BG2 engine with BG1 NPC and BG1 Unfinished business and SCS feels as close to B♥♥♥♥s possible. More quests(balanced ones, without crazy rewards), some old quests are extended(like Kagain quest), NPC are talking to you and each other much more, and so on... Beamdog didn't bother to copy it in EE.
.//slayer Jan 9, 2014 @ 6:53am 
Pie in the sky, yeah, that's the version I beat just a year or two ago, it's a damn good mod and I enjoyed it a lot. Still not as good as BG2, but as close to it as possibly :)
Pie in the sky Jan 9, 2014 @ 11:18am 
Originally posted by .//slayer:
Pie in the sky, yeah, that's the version I beat just a year or two ago, it's a damn good mod and I enjoyed it a lot. Still not as good as BG2, but as close to it as possibly :)

I still love Bg1 more, much more freedom. You got a bunch of quests in Bergost and Nashkel and free to go wherever you want.
In BG2 you are dragged through the chapters.
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