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ben 2012年8月20日 23時28分
people should experience the original doom before trying modern sourceports
Go google "Chocolate Doom", basically how doom originally was except with easier mouse support and none of that DOSBOX glitchy ♥♥♥♥.
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Joy 2012年8月31日 17時36分 
Chocolate DOOM is great, still have memories of playing this on my computer before we even had Windows installed. Was better able to boot up in DOS at 5 than I am now.
DUNCAN DONUTS 2012年9月3日 13時59分 
nah
Inszide 2012年9月4日 12時34分 
I wouldn't go so far as to call it a straight "♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ization." Mouselook simply wasn't supported at the time. ID Software's very next game Quake took proper advantage of the technology.

It's not like the game suddenly becomes a breeze just because you can use a mouse. Instead, I find a stark reminder that just because you can aim better doesn't mean you can survive better.
ben 2012年9月4日 14時10分 
Sid の投稿を引用:
I wouldn't go so far as to call it a straight "♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ization." Mouselook simply wasn't supported at the time. ID Software's very next game Quake took proper advantage of the technology.

It's not like the game suddenly becomes a breeze just because you can use a mouse. Instead, I find a stark reminder that just because you can aim better doesn't mean you can survive better.

looking up and down with crosshairs and being able to jump just isn't doom's original gameplay. It completely ruins how the game originally felt. If you feel that you must play in a more modernized scheme go ahead, but my whole post is about people never playing doom before and skipping straight to zdoom or skulltag or what have you. Some people even buy doom just for brutal doom and that pisses me off. People who are really interested in doom should really try using chocolate doom first, sure the resolution and the graphics may be dated, but it really shows you how vanilla doom has aged so well.

Another thing is that chocolate doom still has those subtle differences that the zdoom engine changed. For instance, dark rooms are actually dark like they were supposed to be, they actually make it hard to see enemies, now you know why people thought this game was scary back then. Another thing is the movement, zdoom changes the movement physics just slightly and feels kind of off in some cases. Zdoom also changed the enemy AI, it's not exactly for the worst but it's kind of a purist preference thing.
Deadstanley 2012年9月4日 15時26分 
I couldn't agree more. While I do use ZDoom, I only use it for a higher resolution because I find myself getting headaches with 320x240. Aging sucks.
roadbloc 2012年9月5日 1時21分 
Meh. Just play it through DOSBox if you want the original game how it was meant to be. Surley by using any port what so ever you're '♥♥♥♥♥♥♥izing' the game. If you're that ♥♥♥♥ed about how the game was originally meant to be like, just play it through DOS/DOSBox.

I use Skulltag myself because of the active online community and because steam in-game works perfectly.
ben 2012年9月5日 13時57分 
Roadbloc の投稿を引用:
Meh. Just play it through DOSBox if you want the original game how it was meant to be. Surley by using any port what so ever you're '♥♥♥♥♥♥♥izing' the game. If you're that ♥♥♥♥ed about how the game was originally meant to be like, just play it through DOS/DOSBox.

I use Skulltag myself because of the active online community and because steam in-game works perfectly.

Chocolate doom IS basically DOSBox doom, it's just not emulated like ♥♥♥♥. Chocolate Doom is original doom with working mouse support and more options to make it run better on modern systems.

I mean you CAN play DOSBox doom if you really want to play with a keyboard like you did back in the day before people realized that using the mouse and auto sprint is 100x better.
roadbloc 2012年9月6日 11時57分 
ben の投稿を引用:
Roadbloc の投稿を引用:
Meh. Just play it through DOSBox if you want the original game how it was meant to be. Surley by using any port what so ever you're '♥♥♥♥♥♥♥izing' the game. If you're that ♥♥♥♥ed about how the game was originally meant to be like, just play it through DOS/DOSBox.

I use Skulltag myself because of the active online community and because steam in-game works perfectly.

Chocolate doom IS basically DOSBox doom, it's just not emulated like ♥♥♥♥. Chocolate Doom is original doom with working mouse support and more options to make it run better on modern systems.

I mean you CAN play DOSBox doom if you really want to play with a keyboard like you did back in the day before people realized that using the mouse and auto sprint is 100x better.

Fair enough. Maybe I ought to try this Chocolate Doom out. I do admit that Skulltag and other porting programs get the brightness of the game far too high and it requires a fair bit of tinkering with the settings to get them dark and creepy moments in Doom I loved back.
Heks 2012年9月14日 21時37分 
I recommend you guys check out Odamex for classic Doom multiplayer. It runs perfectly in Windows Vista/7 and Mac. (as well as Linux) http://steamcommunity.com/groups/odamex
DEAD MEN DON'T RAPE 2012年9月16日 17時37分 
Deadstanley の投稿を引用:
I couldn't agree more. While I do use ZDoom, I only use it for a higher resolution because I find myself getting headaches with 320x240. Aging sucks.

Have you tried PRBoom+[doom.wikia.com]? It's far more 'Doom-like' than ZD in terms of engine quirks (you can adjust the level of vanilla compatibility with the -complevel cli parameter[doom.wikia.com]) but lets you have the higher resolution you need.

edit: also, cool story bro @ OP
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"You St∈am A Good Ham" 2012年9月25日 21時32分 
♥♥♥♥ off, mods and source ports are what kept doom popular to this day, Its not ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ized at all and its still doom.
Riot Polizei 2012年10月4日 18時37分 
Jeez people, quit tearing yourselves apart. The bottom line is we all like Doom, whether it's the untouched original or the refurbished gem.
ein 2012年10月11日 10時06分 
OP has a valid point and it's silly to be hostile to it. If someone else has a preference and is aggro about it, let him miss out on the part you like, but don't reject it out of hand. Play it both ways.

Personally I found the game much more frightening wit truly dark rooms and its weird mouse control. The mechanic of sidestepping into your momentum was every bit as good and free as aswd once I got the swing of it.

An important note: The design of certain levels takes advantage of inability to look up and down. They knew the limitations of the engine and in no way had to set things up that way, but chose to place things out of view because it created a claustrophobic effect and a feeling that enemies had high ground. They could see down at you but you could only get a glimpse of them.

I'm pretty sure there are also locations which are difficult to spot without looking up and down, but offhand I can't think of one.
Zeether 2012年10月31日 19時01分 
Chocolate Doom keeps crashing on me when I use it, so I can't even experience Doom "the way it should be." Does anyone have a solution to this?
Elaxter 2012年11月23日 13時00分 
I use the looking up and down feature, but not jumping and crouching.
For the mod "Brutal DOOM", the looking up and down thing is essential.
Plus, the ports are less gritty.
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